[Victoria Bartel]

whats this about mounted combat being patched? Is this not something we have to wait for Dawnguard for? I started a new character saturday, and i refuse to buy horses anymore since they die easier than a friggin Rabbit! I think i had some update the other day, but payed no attention to it..

I've also started yet another save game recently. I would advise you to not bother with horses until you do the assassin's guild quest line. That's all 'll say to avoid spoilers.

[Nicole Kraus]

Its natural to be upset about all of this Firerainsdown, but posts like that are just gonna get deleted or get this thread closed prematurely.

[James Hate]

omfg give me my [censored] dlc you [censored] selfish [censored] [censored]s [censored] you and all your [censored]ign friends im getting more and more pissed with each passing [censored] second that gos by just [censored] say somethign usefull you [censored] unproductive [censored]s I buy your awesome bugged over [censored] game and now i want to buy your bugged up [censored] dlc and your not [censored] talking to me DO YOU THINK U CAN JUST [censored] ME IN THE ASS AND NEVER CALL ME

[censored] YOU

YOU SEE GSTAFF!!! This is what you get when you let that little worm Pete Heins screw us all over. Your loosing money, your loosing fans, and your loosing respect. And all it would take is just a little COMMUNICATION!!!!! You thick skulled skeever biter.

[Lisha Boo]

That's the pattern i've seen elsewhere. Any longtime Sci-Fi fan that's been around and active on a certain messageboard will most assuredly recognize what's going to keep being played out over the next while.

This pattern is consistently employed here also. Look through the PS3: FO3, FONV forums and what is happening in the Skyrim forums now.

I'm not really outraged about not being able to give Bethesda more money. Really they aren't likely to get mine if they do ever release DLC for PS3. But I think the whole cycle of: Release broken game -> Stall tactic regarding performance and release paltry patches -> Drop support and silent treatment -> Release more broken GOTY edition to goose new victims is pretty obscene.

Some other gaming companies actively support their products for years. Beth/Zeni has got the capital to do the same now but they won't because for all the 'Aw gee, I'm a gamer too' lines from Todd Howard, Pee Hines, Gstaff and the like evidence indicates the corporate culture there seems diametrically opposed. They don't elevate the customer (gamer) to a level worthy of continuous support.

[Nick Tyler]

This pattern is consistently employed here also. Look through the PS3: FO3, FONV forums and what is happening in the Skyrim forums now.

I'm not really outraged about not being able to give Bethesda more money. Really they aren't likely to get mine if they do ever release DLC for PS3. But I think the whole cycle of: Release broken game -> Stall tactic regarding performance and release paltry patches -> Drop support and silent treatment -> Release more broken GOTY edition to goose new victims is pretty obscene.

Some other gaming companies actively support their products for years. Beth/Zeni has got the capital to do the same now but they won't because for all the 'Aw gee, I'm a gamer too' lines from Todd Howard, Pee Hines, Gstaff and the like evidence indicates the corporate culture there seems diametrically opposed. They don't elevate the customer (gamer) to a level worthy of continuous support.

This may be the best way ive seen it worded to date...I say the same thing, and it seems like im saying it more often, and accross a broaderspectrum..I can honestly say, that i cannot recall the last game i purchased where i did soon after hop on the forums to voice the exact same opinion...

I just wish more gamers (aand their parents,lol) would take a mroe rigid stance against practices as such, so we could get real results...Devs start seeing a thinning wallet, they WILL listen, and make changes to practices accordingly!

[Lizbeth Ruiz]

This thread in a nutshell

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWTHP8zT28Q

This video pretty much sums up what is going on on the recent pages, especially the last one

Right now I dare say we are exiting Stage 2 and entering Stage 3

[stevie trent]

This may be the best way ive seen it worded to date...I say the same thing, and it seems like im saying it more often, and accross a broaderspectrum..I can honestly say, that i cannot recall the last game i purchased where i did soon after hop on the forums to voice the exact same opinion...

I just wish more gamers (aand their parents,lol) would take a mroe rigid stance against practices as such, so we could get real results...Devs start seeing a thinning wallet, they WILL listen, and make changes to practices accordingly!

Thanks, and I agree with your sentiment as well. Which is also why its very frustrating to see the one-liners here that claim they would pay 30usd for DG. Its like, really?

I think the problem now is for these mega studios the bottom line has been raised such that if it were a level of water, the gamers would all be drowning under it. We are not ever going to be so important to Bethesda again because they have moved solidly into the realm of mega-budget releases. And the massive budgets are a big problem for those of us who loved these franchises.

These are such massive undertakings, due to the studios own making, that the games require mass appeal and mass marketing to turn a profit on. Once you start sinking millions into the game's development process investors want to know for sure they will see a quick return. That means you sell as many copies up front as possible, what happens on the backend is of no concern to the bottom line here. Especially for consoles there doesn't exist a trickle-in revenue model.

We might have been better off if the Skyrim had been a lower budget affair. As it seems most of the effort went into ensuring they could recapture revenue in the first two quarters after release, with little care or thought into sustainability or - heaven forbid - replayability.

I think gamers are becoming victims of their own favorite industrys success. As the available money in the gaming pool has increased, so have the business tycoons increased their interest and influence.

[Laura Tempel]

No Dawnguard today people. Playstation Store has already updated for today...go back to your itching at bethesda.

personally I don't see why people can't just wait. eh whatever I guess.

[Beast Attire]

I give up, Dawnguard is now officially on my list of games that can wait. At this moment I am focusing on saving my money toward the great release line up from now until early 2013.

[[ becca ]]

The biggest problem with bethesda is the lack of communication and the evidence that they are actually working on it. Personally I think a weekly progress report would be a great way of showing that they do care about us PS3 users but eh whatever. I just bought 5 random rpgs so I'm good for a good while (plus and actual job).

Hell I've made a character for every race and have only done 4 with one accidentally deleted character). I have not completed the main quest or the quest for any of the factions...although I've gotten halfway with everything.

[matt oneil]

Why people cant wait you say? We have been..And if youve been listening, game after game promises something sooner rather than later, that either doesnt come, or is so MUCH later, that the playerbase has moved on...Since thistime last year, i couldnt count on 2 hands the number of games this exact schpeal has gone on!

Gamers now EXPECT to get screwed, yet somehow allow it to continue, and still_for some ungodly reason_ purchase from these companies...It boggles the mind..The willingness of people to not only be bent over, yet PAY for the mind-numbingly experience!!!

In a nutshell...STOP BUYING FROM COMPANIES WHO PRACTICE THIS GARBAGE...We have nothing to lose from not buying games from companies who dfo this to us..I dont know about you, but i cant afford each title i wanna play, and am forced to pick and choose...Pick and choose around those developers who F us over regularly, and we WILL begin to see a change in, what has become, the industry standard..Which is needless to say, sub-par!

[loste juliana]

So, what do we know so far?

[Jacob Phillips]

Considering all developers screw us over I say why not choose them. Name one developer out there of a popular series that has not screwed its fans over. I'm going to give you a list and then show how all developers do screw over the fans.

Bethesda: Programming Bugs up the wazoo and constant delays while having behind the door relationships with microsoft.

Ubisoft: Releases a game once a year for the same series with minor new additions and new plot and people think that it is the greatest thing ever...3 games in 3 years all based around the same character. If this were a better time we would be seeing all of this content in one game and would have gotten all 3 games in 1 last year.

Capcom: Street Fighter, Marvel vs. Capcom re-releases.

Aksys: 3 different versions of the same game with minor character additions and few if any gameplay tweaks.

Atlus: region locked

Call of Duty/Uncharted/Halo/shooters: Require [censored] loads of money for a few maps and maybe a few items or equipment which was in the base game data to begin with and should have been released with the game.

Namco: Soul Calibur V debacle in general

Bioware: Mass Effect 3 Ending, false promises, broken games.

EA and Naughty Dog: Requires activation/online...putting online multiplayer codes in new games only to screw over the people who want to buy the games cheaper.

Halo: Re-release the same game with graphical upgrades and completely destroys its own lore

NISA: censored games.

Rockstar: Broken games, cause system overheats, and freeze constantly.

Square: Put necessary story into DLC, charged up the wazoo, failed to live up to promises of non-linearity (broken promises). Delay on Tomb Raider

Blizzard: Requires being online to play their games.

DLC: Makes the games half of what they are...skyrim might actually be an exception to this as they are still working on DLC long after release...most companies these days simply have on disc dlc.

Other games with delays: most of the above companies have had to delay the release of their games or DLC...halo 2, l.a. noir, assassin's creed, call of duty, just to name a few.

Bethesda is no different...not sure why people are saying that Bethesda is the only company that screws over its players....they all do.

the only company that generally is given a pass for delays is Valve.

[Louise]

No Dawnguard today people. Playstation Store has already updated for today...go back to your itching at bethesda.

personally I don't see why people can't just wait. eh whatever I guess.

The biggest problem with bethesda is the lack of communication and the evidence that they are actually working on it. Personally I think a weekly progress report would be a great way of showing that they do care about us PS3 users but eh whatever. I just bought 5 random rpgs so I'm good for a good while (plus and actual job).

Hell I've made a character for every race and have only done 4 with one accidentally deleted character). I have not completed the main quest or the quest for any of the factions...although I've gotten halfway with everything.

I've bolded the parts of your 2 posts here that are germane to the current situation.

I don't care how patient a person is, there is only so far that patience on an issue like this can be stretched in the face perceived disregard. If Bethesda would just give actual info on what the heck is going on, i bet a whole lot of ppl would be alot understanding atm.

A remark at your progress in Skyrim now.

I personally am on like my 5 character now i think. 4th or 5th. I've finished all the PS3 current questlines except the Stormcloak spin on the main quest(been purposefully leaving that one alone so the game isn't 'finished' in my mind). Between all of my characters, i've capped all skills and i'm so deep into the Thieve's Guild radiant quests that its crazy. Have best armor that i've enchanted the heck out of. Best weapons. See where this is going?

And i truthfully believe i can't be the only Skyrim player on PS3 that is to this level of wanting more stuff added to the game. When you get more stuff done, i think you'll get where i am coming from more.

[Nikki Lawrence]

Considering all developers screw us over I say why not choose them. Name one developer out there of a popular series that has not screwed its fans over.

Hideo Kojima

Rockstar: Broken games, cause system overheats, and freeze constantly.

I have never had a problem with their games. The only one that has cause my system to overheat was FO:NV and Skyrim before Patches.

[lolli]

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And i truthfully believe i can't be the only Skyrim player on PS3 that is to this level of wanting more stuff added to the game. When you get more stuff done, i think you'll get where i am coming from more.

Oh don't get me wrong here I completely understand how people could want more stuff added to the game but for many people I doubt this is the only game they care about. You know that character that I accidentally saved over? Yeah that was my main and I was maxed out with it. so I have seen and done everything. it was disappointing but then I decided screw it and created one character for every race and gave them all unique quirks and what not...I'm partially role-playing and partially not now and personally I like this way of playing better. But I have done everything on my deleted character but am only about half-way (in different ways) with all the other characters...I've also watched videos of dawnguard playthroughs and to be honest it doesn't look all that great aside from the missions/quests outside of the vampire/dawnguard factions.

I can understand wanting something but after waiting for so long you would think the hype would have died by now especially if you remember how bethesda usually is with PS3 DLCs. I'm just frustrated with the constant bashing sure they are doing a lot of things wrong but they could decide that it is too much trouble to even give us the remaining DLC...personally I would hate that more than having to wait. They did give us an update though and said it would take longer to release it. So although they lack communication of an actual release they have updated us...it's only been two weeks since the announcement...usually they release the dlc the next month (or so it was with fallout). two weeks of delays and people are already up at arms...childish if nothing else.

edit: yes video games were a lot better back then the only thing that has changed is graphics and cheating us out of our money.

edit 2: hideo kojima has re-releases of its games and their has been a delay on a new zone of enders (re-release HD) and a delay on the latest previously kojima game multiple times now.

[Emily Jeffs]

@Railracer - Lol. I love your rant on VG companies. So true.

And yea i can wait for DG, which will in fact be awhile as I have decided to movie on to bigger titles in the next couple months. So bethesdage might get my money one day, but theyre gonna suffer for it. Some might say, 1 or 2 angry people wont influence their sales, but this is alot bigger then people think. Thousands have boycotted DG, skyrim returns have increased by 500% percent in the last month. Granted theyre not really losing alot, but still.

Ya really spilled the milk on this one beth, for shame.

[Bee Baby]

Any suggestions on how to spend my $20 psn card?

[clelia vega]

Any suggestions on how to spend my $20 psn card?

No idea, but your signature is awesome.

[Rachael]

Any suggestions on how to spend my $20 psn card?

PS2 classic "shinobi" was released I'd suggest picking that up.

[Lizzie]

1)Oh don't get me wrong here I completely understand how people could want more stuff added to the game but for many people I doubt this is the only game they care about. You know that character that I accidentally saved over? Yeah that was my main and I was maxed out with it. so I have seen and done everything. it was disappointing but then I decided screw it and created one character for every race and gave them all unique quirks and what not...I'm partially role-playing and partially not now and personally I like this way of playing better. But I have done everything on my deleted character but am only about half-way (in different ways) with all the other characters...I've also watched videos of dawnguard playthroughs and to be honest it doesn't look all that great aside from the missions/quests outside of the vampire/dawnguard factions.

2)I can understand wanting something but after waiting for so long you would think the hype would have died by now especially if you remember how bethesda usually is with PS3 DLCs. I'm just frustrated with the constant bashing sure they are doing a lot of things wrong but they could decide that it is too much trouble to even give us the remaining DLC...personally I would hate that more than having to wait. They did give us an update though and said it would take longer to release it. So although they lack communication of an actual release they have updated us...it's only been two weeks since the announcement...usually they release the dlc the next month (or so it was with fallout). two weeks of delays and people are already up at arms...childish if nothing else....

@1 Maybe you can enjoy watching others playthrough games, i can't. The most i'll allow myself to know about games i want but don't have yet are broad strokes. I will let reviews give me an idea, but not these youtube'd run-thoughs. It kind of defeats the purpose imo and leads to players with your outlook, begging your pardon.

@2 Your frustration of the 'bashing' notwithstanding, Bethesda brought this on themselves. And it it really bothers you that much, you might wanna skip anything with the word Skyrim in it on the net for a bit. Also, i would personally be absolutely fine if they had said upfront that the PS3 would be getting no DLC. It would have svcked hard, but i would have then just gone ahead finished the last questline then put the game up on the shelf.

But that's not what happened is it? Bethesda said PS3 was getting it and in fact gave every indication that that all platforms would be treated equitably in Dawnguard's distribution. It wasn't until the DLC was released on 360 that many players learned about the Microsoft 30 day BS. And then when that 30 days had elapsed, we got silence broken only by some guys personal twitter. I mean to date we have received no real explanation as to why both the PS3 AND PC versions weren't ready to go promptly after 360 exclusivity was up.

No, any childishness here is on Bethesda's end. You bork stuff up, you own up say what's what and how you are trying to fix it. You don't run to your room and say practically nothing and hope ppl will just take it. Ppl deserve the right to vent over this.

[FoReVeR_Me_N]

Any suggestions on how to spend my $20 psn card?

How about Pure Chess?

[Jodie Bardgett]

No Dawnguard on PSN today. I thought for sure it was going to be going up since we have the patch now.

[DAVId MArtInez]

@2 Your frustration of the 'bashing' notwithstanding, Bethesda brought this on themselves. And it it really bothers you that much, you might wanna skip anything with the word Skyrim in it on the net for a bit. Also, i would personally be absolutely fine if they had said upfront that the PS3 would be getting no DLC. It would have svcked hard, but i would have then just gone ahead finished the last questline then put the game up on the shelf.

Had I known ahead of time the PS3 version would both perform as poorly out of the gate and get the worst support of all the platforms I never would have bought this game.

But that's not what happened is it? Bethesda said PS3 was getting it and in fact gave every indication that that all platforms would be treated equitably in Dawnguard's distribution. It wasn't until the DLC was released on 360 that many players learned about the Microsoft 30 day BS. And then when that 30 days had elapsed, we got silence broken only by some guys personal twitter. I mean to date we have received no real explanation as to why both the PS3 AND PC versions weren't ready to go promptly after 360 exclusivity was up.

I did know about the exclusivity deals and I consider myself a very casual gamer, so I assumed most people knew this also. At any rate it svcks, but its business and imo another reason to avoid Microsoft products.

The silent treatment and lack of title support is inexcusable. If the code on my Skyrim disc worked https://twitter.com/DCDeacon/status/108594625547206656 we would probably not be in this situation. Beth pushed a broken product out in November and we customers are stuck holding the bag.

The patches are like an asthmatics inhaler, there is temporary relief but the underlying disease remains and will inevitably recurr.

No, any childishness here is on Bethesda's end. You bork stuff up, you own up say what's what and how you are trying to fix it. You don't run to your room and say practically nothing and hope ppl will just take it. Ppl deserve the right to vent over this.

This is should be engraved on a brass plaque and placed on the desk of todd howard, backwards, so he can look at it every day.

[Jonathan Braz]

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