Why?

Why not?

Your grasping for straws, dude... I dunno what to tell you.




Because if I have survived for 1000 years+ by being a cunning recluse that survives by feeding on the weak and snatching away lone travelers when I see the chance, then my clan briefly tries a different tactic (full-scale war) and it fails miserably, then that seems like a clear sign that I should stick to my tactic that has worked for over 1000 years instead of illogically adopting this new one that immediately failed and got friends of mine killed the moment we tried it.
How does this not make logical sense?

It seems like you are aruging with the idea that vampires have to be logical rational creatures. After all what you said is quite rational and i agree that the vampires are stupid to attack even though they lost the conflict Vampires don't have to act with logic, after all, couldn't it be said that many vampires are actually insane? Maybe some don't think rationally like we do.

Or better yet, flip the argument. They say vampires are raiding towns cause they're at their strongest? (or were?)

Aren't the Dawnguard now at their strongest?
The Dawnguard JUST succeeded in their goal. We know people know about the Dawnguard via rumors. You'd think word would spread that they were victorious and their power would increase, and thus vampire attacks would decrease, no?
And yet apparently they don't.

Oh so now vampires are only logical at Bethesda's convenience?
They're known for being cunning, clever, brutal in combat and they can come up with this plan to blot out the sun and survive for over 1000 years+ by outwitting humans, and hell THEY STEM FROM HUMANS, WHO ARE LOGICAL CREATURES, and we even have several conversations with vampires who seem plenty normal.... (over the spam of three TES titles and several vampire clans...)

But no they're not rational creatures. Why? Because [censored] all logic, we're Bethesda Softworks.

I never said not all were illogical creatures, im just saying that maybe some are insane and sort of stupid. Maybe some want revenge on mankind and that sense of revenge clouds their logic/judgement (the lust for revenge can make people not rational in real life to), which causes them to act by attacking villeges without really thinking about the consequences for their actions.

And remember that even though humans are logical creatures, there are times in which we don't always act in the most logical or rational way, same could be said for vampires.

I never said not all were illogical creatures, im just saying that maybe some are insane and sort of stupid. Maybe some want revenge on mankind and that sense of revenge clouds their logic/judgement (the lust for revenge can make people not rational in real life to), which causes them to act by attacking villeges without really thinking about the consequences for their actions.

And remember that even though humans are logical creatures, there are times in which we don't always act in the most logical or rational way, same could be said for vampires.

And I still say you're grasping at straws.

I'm just sick of this accepting attitude that WE should be responsible for making the best out of faulty game mechanics and logic, that WE should fill in the blanks. No, challenge their shoddy work. Make THEM improve. They're never gonna improve if you just make excuses for their mistakes.

Well then, as you may or may not know Dawnguard adds random Master Vampire assualts on cities, villages, and small farms around level 10 (though they may begin earlier). Supposedly, these attacks are like the random dragon attacks, but more lethal especially if there are two Master Vampires attacking the city. Thus begins the Vampire Apocalypse Survival Guide!

So to make sure you do not end up with an cities, villages, or farms I am attempting to compile a list of ways to prevent this. Feel free to add any other tips!

1. Be very careful of fast travelling. Like dragon attacks, vampire attacks chances increase if you fast travel and arive at NIGHT (7pm - 5am).

2. When entering a city at night, stay around the main gate for a few minutes. Usually the vampires will tend to attack soon after you enter. If you do not wait you increase the chances of the cities populace being killed.

3. Villages and farms are a bit trickier, the vampires appear to spawn outside of the villages/farms, but only when the player is near.

4. When in doubt, lower the difficulty! Although this will also make the NPCs in the village die even faster, usually it is usually worth doing.

5. If you are level 10, or around there, use Flames or any Fire enchanted weapon you may have. Even if you are not a Destruction mage, flames SHOULD prove somewhat useful against these vampires. When combined with novice difficulty this may make the fights shorter and with less causalites.

6. If you have Healing Hands use it on the NPCs that are fighting the Vampires. WARNING: Some NPCs may view Healing Hands as an attack!

Actually no, humans are HEURISTIC CREATURES! Cognitive psychologists have shown this in study after study by showing where our heuristics screw up. Sure, we do use logic but it's not to the extent that the philosphers always believed.

Back on topic...

Or maybe instead of complaning you should just Man up and deal with it.

Beth adding this adds some realisim to the game. Sometimes in war suprise attacks happen by evil forces, and sometimes people die, and sometimes someone can't save everyone from a horrible attack.

Do you have a problem with realisim?

Do you have a problem with dragon attacks as well?

Do you have a problem with realisim?
Do you have a problem with dragon attacks as well?

Actually no, humans are HEURISTIC CREATURES! Cognitive psychologists have shown this in study after study by showing where our heuristics screw up. Sure, we do use logic but it's not to the extent that the philosphers always believed.

If LongKnife was Poland (a personification).......
I thought the end of the Great War would fix the problem of germans from ever fighting again.

And then the Germans didn't fight the Polish again for 67 years and counting. (and we're very proud of how well we've restrained ourselves! )
Your point? If anything you just supported my argument...

Great War is another name for WW1. So no i was not supporting your argument. Many thought after WW1 ended that their would never be another World War, and that Germany would never grow as strong as they were and be a threat like they were in the Great War.

Except for Germany, who was relatively ticked at how unfair the Treaty of Versailles was, and thus was more willing to go to war the second time. Might wanna read into that.

I know about it. Of course that does not justify Germany causing another World War.

Or maybe instead of complaning you should just Man up and deal with it.

Beth adding this adds some realisim to the game. Sometimes in war suprise attacks happen by evil forces, and sometimes people die, and sometimes someone can't save everyone from a horrible attack.

Do you have a problem with realisim?

Do you have a problem with dragon attacks as well?