Skyrim based on LOTR films?

Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 7:40 am

I'm sure every person on the Skyrim team has read the Tolkien books and seen all the movies. So of course a good chunk of their inspiration for the art and whatnot is bound to come from that. Which is fine. Being inspired by great stuff makes for more great stuff. But it's not a 100% thing, obviously. There are plenty of differences, and as far as using orcs, norse-style races, elves, etc, etc., those are some pretty standard fantasty/fiction/art subjects, and not at all derived just from Mr. Tolkien's works. Inspiration comes from a lot of places, usually.
Yeah, all those archetypes (Including dwarves, which you left out) have been around for many hundreds of years before Tolkien, he didn't invent them, he just did his take on those ancient Norse legends. Skyrim could be said to be inspired by Norse legend as much as anything else.
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 2:28 am

ummm, he said wood elves? you are thinking of the snow elves... -.-
I have yet to see a bosmer nomming on some human flesh..
Read some lore. Religious Bosmeri are forbidden to eat growing things or use them as building materials. Valenwood society is exclusively carnivorous.
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 1:09 am

Man...and I thought it was based on the US Civil War....

Imperials vs rebels

Clearly Star Wars
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 7:05 am

Falmer = Goblinds from Oblivion in this game. They have their lore of being snow elves, but we all know they were goblin fillers.


Except the Falmer already existed in lore, playing an important role in history and Nordic culture. But if you just jump on the nearest shaky parallel to a cliche, you miss the actual content.

Falmer are goblins because their spines are curved? Really?
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:50 am

Imperials vs rebels

Clearly Star Wars

doh! How could we possibly miss that!?
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 12:56 am

so you're comparing a book series that is not finished, and contains some of the worst crap ever put down on paper (have you actually read book # 7, or #8 ?????) to a movie adaptation of LotR - which adaptation I rate 4 stars (out of 5) only on days I'm feeling generous. Which movie omitted approx 20% of the book, and was way too "Hollywood" over the top in a lot of special effects

edit : and if you only saw the theatrical release, not the extended edition dvd release,make that 30% of the book omitted. The Two Towers in particular was a muddled abortion in the theater version!

your opinion is based on ....very incomplete knowledge ....and so is pretty much worthless.

LotR: read the books.

ps "As the Wheel Turns" is the sarcastic name many people give the book series, based on it's similarities to this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/As_the_World_Turns

The movie was too long as it was to be practical for most audiences and Peter Jackson did a great job with what he had. This being said, I'd loved it if the ENTIRE FULL BOOK was included in the film. As for special effects, they were awesome and did a great job of portraying Tolkien's epic battles. I'd rate it 9/10.
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 12:52 am

i have not seen a game/film/other books based on the wheel of time

love that series. a friend of mine got me a trilogy from it and Im hooked.
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:21 am

nothing wrong with LOTR movies. Nobody touches 3 Hr plus movies anymore. That's what I love about LOTR special editions. I love the adaptation, you can't fit it all.
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 1:18 am

Whiterun looks a lot like Edoras from the films, but I've also seen the Hall of Heorot from Beowulf depicted as being on a hill, and a castle on a hill is sort of ubiquitous. But I wouldn't be surprised if the artists did draw some visual inspiration from the film.

Just for kicks, here is the concept art for Whiterun:
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/File:SR-concept-Whiterun_Castle.jpg
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/File:SR-concept-WhiterunCityTundra.jpg

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/File:SR-concept-Windhelm.jpg concept art looks similar, too.
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 9:07 am

Then they realized that trapping a dragon in a wooden keep is a terrible idea.
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 3:59 am

I'll say this once, and I'll say it again; Mer are not Quendi.

One is mortal, the other is immortal.

One is magical, the other is spiritual.

One is arrogant, the other is proud.

One is alien, the other is ethereal.

One is flawed, the other is flawless.

Elves (or dwarves, gnomes, trolls etc) in one setting are not the same in the other. If anything, people comparing universes should realize that.
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Post » Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:45 pm

Oh my Talos, not again.

Tolkien borrowed heavily from Norse mythology and culture in his depiction of Rohan. Bethesda has always drawn heavily from Norse mythology and culture for its depiction of Skyrim and the Nords. The similarities are the result of similar source material, not the result of Bethesda "copying" Tolkien.

Dont be so naive, to say that the folks at Bethesda diddnt take more than a little inspiration from the Lord of the Rings movies would be a massive lie, just look at Whiterun, you cant honestly tell me that it wasnt at least a little bit inspired by Rohan, also if you look at how they redesigned the Orcish armour you cant tell me that its design wasnt at least a little bit inspired by the armour of the Uruk Hai.
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 3:53 am

Dont be so naive, to say that the folks at Bethesda diddnt take more than a little inspiration from the Lord of the Rings movies would be a massive lie, just look at Whiterun, you cant honestly tell me that it wasnt at least a little bit inspired by Rohan,

Get 2 pics and compare them side by side and then tell me if you still think so. Dont just go from memory.
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:02 am

Dont be so naive, to say that the folks at Bethesda diddnt take more than a little inspiration from the Lord of the Rings movies would be a massive lie, just look at Whiterun, you cant honestly tell me that it wasnt at least a little bit inspired by Rohan, also if you look at how they redesigned the Orcish armour you cant tell me that its design wasnt at least a little bit inspired by the armour of the Uruk Hai.
Oh look! A town on a hill, surrounded by a wall! It must be inspired by LoTR!

I'll be perfectly honest, I don't see that as inspiration from the movie, that's just good tactics. Besides being built on a hill and having buildings made out of wood, I really don't see the resemblance.

And aside from color, I also don't really see the resemblance between http://a4.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/49/e5a8eba2f4fbf8f329888b3cf5a1b1ce/l.jpg and http://images.wikia.com/elderscrolls/images/e/e7/SR-concept-Orc_Armor.jpg. They have entirely different structures, besides the fact that they both have overlapping bits of metal.

I agree that saying that they didn't take at least some amount of inspiration from Tolkien is silly. But overly emphasizing the amount is also silly.
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Post » Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:20 pm

Oh look! A town on a hill, surrounded by a wall! It must be inspired by LoTR!

I'll be perfectly honest, I don't see that as inspiration from the movie, that's just good tactics. Besides being built on a hill and having buildings made out of wood, I really don't see the resemblance.
On the edge of a brown, tussocky grassland with sparse vegetation and clusters of rocks, with tall, snowy mountains looming nearby, stands a rocky outcrop/hill. On the edge of this hill is a short fortification wall, surrounding a small, rustic city with wooden buildings, built with full logs as main supports rather than cut planks and with curved, Norse style carvings and patterns. On the end of the roofs, some of the buildings have wooden beams crossed, and others carry carved horses, the symbol of the city. At the top of this hill and city, there is a large and ornate, mostly wooden hall where the city ruler lives. So what place am I talking about? This description fits just as well for either one. The places aren't identical but the inspiration is obvious as hell.
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:50 am

On the edge of a brown, tussocky grassland with sparse vegetation and clusters of rocks, with tall, snowy mountains looming nearby, stands a rocky outcrop/hill. On the edge of this hill is a short fortification wall, surrounding a small, rustic city with wooden buildings, built with full logs as main supports rather than cut planks and with curved, Norse style carvings and patterns. On the end of the roofs, some of the buildings have wooden beams crossed, and others carry carved horses, the symbol of the city. At the top of this hill and city, there is a large and ornate, mostly wooden hall where the city ruler lives. So what place am I talking about? This description fits just as well for either one. The places aren't identical but the inspiration is obvious as hell.
So... you mean both are inspired by Norse architecture?

These are the images I've found of Edoras.
http://img-nex.theonering.net/images/scrapbook/orig/8378_orig.jpg
http://img-nex.theonering.net/images/scrapbook/1591.jpg
Doesn't look much like what I've found in Whiterun, aside from colors.

This is Edoras's location.
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1428/538189210_58543abb06.jpg
Looks more like the stuff I see on my drive from home to university than anything I've found in Skyrim.

http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lvl5kqV1MZ1qfsssio1_500.jpg
Aside from geography, which can be found many, many places in the world besides LoTR's movies, and the fact that they're both on a hill (Whiterun being on a much smaller hill), I really do not see the resemblance. Sorry.

Seeing bushland right next to a mountain range is something you'll see in almost any mountain range in the world. Just look at the Sierras. Looks like the Mojave desert to me.
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 6:45 am

Based on? No.

Heavily influenced by? Absolutely.
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 7:03 am

And aside from color, I also don't really see the resemblance between http://a4.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/49/e5a8eba2f4fbf8f329888b3cf5a1b1ce/l.jpg and http://images.wikia.com/elderscrolls/images/e/e7/SR-concept-Orc_Armor.jpg. They have entirely different structures, besides the fact that they both have overlapping bits of metal.

I agree that saying that they didn't take at least some amount of inspiration from Tolkien is silly. But overly emphasizing the amount is also silly.

How about http://www.wetanz.com/assets/Uploads/_resampled/CabinetLarge-lotrurukhaiarmour.jpg then, I know they are hardly identical but considering the change in style of the armour from Morrowind to Skyrim you cant tell me that the armour hasnt at least taken some inspiration from the Uruk Hai.

But really if you dont see the similarities between Rohan and Whiterun then you are either blind, stupid or willfully ignorant.
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:08 am

How about http://www.wetanz.com/assets/Uploads/_resampled/CabinetLarge-lotrurukhaiarmour.jpg then, I know they are hardly identical but considering the change in style of the armour from Morrowind to Skyrim you cant tell me that the armour hasnt at least taken some inspiration from the Uruk Hai.

But really if you dont see the similarities between Rohan and Whiterun then you are either blind, stupid or willfully ignorant.
Um. I can tell you the Orc armor and the Uruk Hai armor look nothing alike. Sorry.

And wow! Insulting my intelligence! That sure convinces me to see things your way.

Again, for those who aren't reading my posts: I'm not saying Bethesda hasn't drawn some inspiration from Lord of the Rings. However, I think people are seeing inspiration where it is simply a common origin - both are based on Norse architecture. A common inspiration reaches a common result.

For example: OMG! The Cloud Ruler Temple looks a lot like The Last Samurai architecture! Oblivion was obviously inspired by The Last Samurai! It has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that both are based on Japanese architecture!
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Post » Mon Jun 11, 2012 6:37 pm

On the edge of a brown, tussocky grassland with sparse vegetation and clusters of rocks, with tall, snowy mountains looming nearby, stands a rocky outcrop/hill. On the edge of this hill is a short fortification wall, surrounding a small, rustic city with wooden buildings, built with full logs as main supports rather than cut planks and with curved, Norse style carvings and patterns. On the end of the roofs, some of the buildings have wooden beams crossed, and others carry carved horses, the symbol of the city. At the top of this hill and city, there is a large and ornate, mostly wooden hall where the city ruler lives. So what place am I talking about? This description fits just as well for either one. The places aren't identical but the inspiration is obvious as hell.

You just described Birka
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 7:36 am

You just described Birka
I just looked it up. Apart from it being by the water, not in a tundra and having plenty of vegetation, not being near mountains, not (according to the reconstructed buildings) having the afformentioned log pillars or carvings, nor any mention of horses or the horse being the motif of the town, and no mention of a big wooden hall where the ruler lives sitting at a higher altitude than the rest of the place, yes, I did. I certainly did describe it as... wood buildings surrounded by a wall.
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 3:04 am

Read some lore. Religious Bosmeri are forbidden to eat growing things or use them as building materials. Valenwood society is exclusively carnivorous.
my bad.... :)
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 3:14 am

just...no
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Post » Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:24 pm

If people want to say A looks like B they should include links to pics for side by side comparison.
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:46 am

ALSO NOTE: I didn't mean based 100%, i just mean they must have taken a lot of ideas from the LOTR films :smile:

You do realize that the LOTR films are not original material, right?
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