Is Skyrim A True Open RPG? : V - Skyrim

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:32 pm

ah. holding money to its gamers?

pluck u. ,,

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 10:13 am

Well what gets me is that people said when you start the game you'll pretty much be dropped off and allowed to do anything you want, but this is not true because what I wanted to do was to become a Jarl and challenge of them to combat for the title but you can't do that.

Honestly, there are limits to what all they can program in. No matter what they added, someone would be able to say "Well, I wanted to be able to do X, but I can't. Therefore, it's not 'open'."

Taken to ludicrous extremes, I can't 1) snowboard down the Throat; 2) develop rocketry; or 3) burn down all the forests and replace them with oil refineries. Guess it's not an "open" game.

:shrug:

» Tue Jun 12, 2012 12:33 am

Man, you're talking about a game which does not exist. I mean a game where you can do really anything. Maybe in the next few years, maybe in the next TES. In 2012 Skyrim is the most open world rpg on the planet, with the most content in it. Hibernate yourself for a few years if your standards are so high :smile:

My standards aren't really that high I'm not talking about things like snowboarding down a mountain or something like that. I'm talking about just taking the game a step further and being a Jarl it really doesn't sound impossible to do or being able to kill anyone in the game whenever I want to, but not being able to kill anyone I want to really makes the game feel linear and scripted. That doesn't seem so high of standard unless you think it is. But part of what I'm saying is if truly a rpg I should be able to make my own decisions in the game such as sparing someone or killing whoever I like. This game just doesn't have those sort of moral choices It all just feels as if you are just following script just in whatever order you want.

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 10:47 am

I don't know I'm playing the game and I don't really feel satisfied with the game play completely. What I mean is that you can't really do everything the way you want to do it.

For example say you've played through a part of the game and you want to play over it again and try to kill a person that you know is going to try to assassinate you after you commit a certain act. Since I already know that person is really an assassin I can't kill them until that part comes up in the quest.

The game is good but it's just things like this that makes me feel like you can't do whatever you want, rather you can start whatever quest you want in whatever order you want to play the game.

What do you guys think? Is skyrim a True Open World RPG? (sorry messed up in the title). Explain why you feel the way you feel.

No computer game will ever be a true open world RPG, because no computer can "think on its feet,", so to speak. Everything, to some extent, HAS to be pre-scripted in order to make any sense at all. So, until computers catch up with humans in self-awareness and sentience, the answer is a resounding "NO"

So, you dance with who brung ya, don't expect too much in the way of sponaneous brilliance from a computer game, and be happy.

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 10:45 am

No computer game will ever be a true open world RPG, because no computer can "think on its feet,", so to speak. Everything, to some extent, HAS to be pre-scripted in order to make any sense at all. So, until computers catch up with humans in self-awareness and sentience, the answer is a resounding "NO"

So, you dance with who brung ya, don't expect too much in the way of sponaneous brilliance from a computer game, and be happy.

Not really true. Ever see Watson in action? That computer started doing better once they gave it the ability to "hear" the other player's answers so it could learn from them. There is a really interesting Frontline program on how they taught Watson to play Jeopardy. Computers are capable of thinking on their feet. Granted we are years and years away from having the processing power of Watson in our living rooms, but it will happen someday. Perhaps not for a very long time, but it is not technologically infeasible just way too expensive at the moment.

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 10:19 pm

So you want to go back an preemptively kill someone you "know" is an assassin? That's called Meta gaming and is the exact opposite of what RPGs are supposed to do.

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 2:15 pm

Yes, skyrim is an open world rpg, it just compared to ita predecessors its found severly lacking in quite a few areas. Still a fun game though, but moddera have tbeir work cut out for them bringing the longevity of past games to pass though. Purely opionion I agree, but shared by many.

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:58 am

Yes. Yes it is.

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:30 am

Yes it is
All of the TES games there have been things you couldn't do that players would have liked to do (eg in MW you couldn't side with Dagoth Ur or use the Heart of Lorkhan to become a god) but the freedom they offer compared to any other series I've played is massive
There are still missed opportunities that would've been feasible to include IMO (eg PC bards being able to sing and play instruments) but no game possibly cater for every possible thing a player might want to do

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:21 am

Yes it is
All of the TES games there have been things you couldn't do that players would have liked to do (eg in MW you couldn't side with Dagoth Ur or use the Heart of Lorkhan to become a god) but the freedom they offer compared to any other series I've played is massive
There are still missed opportunities that would've been feasible to include IMO (eg PC bards being able to sing and play instruments) but no game possibly cater for every possible thing a player might want to do

Agreed. I have wanted to play an instrument in TES ever since I played Bards tale. Singing may be tricky since it would be giving the PC a "voice," which many folks might not like, but no reason the PC could not play some of the instruments.

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 4:00 pm

Yes, it's a true Open RPG.

The only one that could arguably be considered "more" open is Mount & Blade, but that forces you to be a conquering warlord of some level. You can't chase butterflies, or simply help out around town.

This. And i think a similar thread was opened not too long ago.

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 10:51 pm

If it's not, what else out of the current crop of games is?

That's not a rhetorical question btw, genuinely interested in learning about new games to try...

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 6:42 pm

If it's not, what else out of the current crop of games is?

That's not a rhetorical question btw, genuinely interested in learning about new games to try...

Dragons Dogma looks fun. It comes out on the 22nd http://www.gamestop.com/xbox-360/games/dragons-dogma/90839

The Witcher 2's gameplay svcks

Game of Thrones came out today, that might be good

Not sure what type of game Diablo III is

Dark Souls makes people commit suicide

And that's all i can think of off the top of my head.

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:38 pm

Dark Souls makes people commit suicide

lol I have Dark Souls but it does not seem like much of an RPG to me, although it does have lots of stats. But yeah, I can understand the frustration with that game. First time I played, I got killed by a couple of skellitons, so I rushed back to where I had died to try to pick up my souls but I was having trouble finding my way back and I accidently fell off a cliff, thus loosing those souls forever. I was more careful after that.

» Tue Jun 12, 2012 1:08 am

Let's be real here guise, it's a SEMI-open World RPG. I find that I can do more in Old Fallout games than I could ever do in the Elder Scrolls.

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 10:38 pm

Dragons Dogma looks fun. It comes out on the 22nd http://www.gamestop.com/xbox-360/games/dragons-dogma/90839

The Witcher 2's gameplay svcks

Game of Thrones came out today, that might be good

Not sure what type of game Diablo III is

Dark Souls makes people commit suicide

And that's all i can think of off the top of my head.

Already got DS, although it's not made me want to top myself yet. Maybe wanted to eat the disc a couple of times though...

And yeah, got to look into Dragons Dogma, heard good stuff about that, and diablo 3.

GoT... I hope it's good, but i get the feeling it may not be. Hope I'm wrong about that!

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:01 pm

No it isn't.

There, happy?

» Tue Jun 12, 2012 1:46 am

Not it isn't.

There, happy?

No. Because you misspelled No.

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:30 pm

Not it isn't.

There, happy?

Basically. OP seems to not be content with anyone saying it is regardless of what they say.

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 5:21 pm

No. Because you misspelled No.

Ahahahaha, I totally did!

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:28 pm

No. Because you misspelled No.

I lol'd

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:43 pm

Well what gets me is that people said when you start the game you'll pretty much be dropped off and allowed to do anything you want, but this is not true because what I wanted to do was to become a Jarl and challenge of them to combat for the title but you can't do that. The highest title that you can reach is just the title of thane which practically means nothing except that the town guards look a couple of times before they arrest you and you don't even get land for being a thane it just feels dull because I really can't do everything I want to do.

If to consider a Game a RPG you need to be able to, literally, "do whatever you want" then no game is a RPG.

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:41 am

These games are designed to cater to the most amount of people, and what they would be happy with. Some things in the game are things we just have to live with until the next TES comes out. Sure it would be great if after certain quests that specific useless NPCs could be set non-essential, and therefore be killed as per Jarl's orders, or if your character could really be a bard of the Bard College. I agree that it would be very cool to challenge a Jarl for his/her position in mortal combat, but alas it cannot be so with this game as it is. It does not mean that this game is not an RPG or not an open world. The real world does not let you do everything you want to do, and this game is a subset of that world, and yes there are things that you can do in a video game that you cannot do in the real world, but there are always limitations. The developers do read these forums, and they do try to make things better for the most people possible. So OP keep trying to get heard.

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 6:33 pm

It is an open world RPG. Not a sand-box as everyone keeps mentioning.

"an open world is a type of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_game http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Level_design where a player can roam freely through a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_world and is given considerable freedom in choosing how or when to approach objectives.^{http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_world#cite_note-gradar-0}" -->Skyrim

"The term sandbox refers more to the mechanics of a game and how, as in a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandpit, the user is entertained by his ability to play creatively and with there being "no right way"^{http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_world#cite_note-gamasutra_elite-4} of playing the game." --> Not Skyrim

It is clearly open-world

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 3:30 pm

Open World Adventure game.