Unless you're at level 76 or above this shouldn't be a problem, since you only need, what, 4 more levels to progressively learn how to make heavy armour?

What a horrendous game-breaking bug :rolleyes:

That does not apply. Elemental enhancements are different effects. In this case a light armor wearing individual must invest fully in both trees just to get the best weapons only in the "heavy" side of the tree. This is not appropriate.

So you're so dumb you think more choices means there's only one way to achieve an end result?

Did all the PC gamers leave, or something?

And yes, it's not even about the armor, it's about the (very, very awesome) weapon perks. You're telling me light armor characters shouldn't expect to be allowed to have Daedric weapons? Daedric weapons have nothing to do with armor.

Well, name one other perk tree that doesn't force you through a linear progression. There isn't one? It doesn't take sherlock holmes to deduce the correct conclusion from all that other evidence now does it.

Same thing I thought too =p

http://public.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/intensive.html

I kind of agree with the OP, it is deceiving from a design standpoint. I think the only way I knew about it was from the PC people giving themselves max perks and messing around.

I agree It should say so in writing somewhere other than the game guide..but tbh, as soon as I saw the setup on the perks I understood how it worked... Its kind of logical in my opinion..

It's what some would call common sense.

What? Shut it. Its pretty clear that there are seperate heavy and light branches. In what does it make sense to make your way UP a branch and do a loop back down it on the other side? If you want both Heavy AND light, then spend your points on them both respectivly, its funny how you make your self sound smart and logical in your post but in reality your an idiot.

I think people are mission the OPs point. An endgame light armor uses the armor from their side of smithing. In order to get the best weapons they must go through the "heavy armor" path just to be able to get the perk for improving daedric WEAPONS.

Final items for rogue/ranger
Armor: Glass
Weapons: Daedric <- This is the problem.
Final for Warrior
Both: Daedric

It makes total sense to me. The left side is light armor, and the right side is heavy armor. If you climb the light armor branch, you shouldn't be able to make the best heavy armor without climbing the heavy armor branch.

Well if they want to upgrade Deadric weapons so much, spend perk points on the heavy side up to Deadric? Its like saying "My character plays a heavy warrior, but he makes to much noise when sneaking around.. i need Glass armour.. WTF!? I HAVE TO SPEND POINTS ON THE LIGHT SIDE TO GET IT? WHAT A LOAD OF MUDCRAB CRAP!"

im getting to angry with morons. im going now.

Then use glass weapons.

Yes, the common sense to find the "top" of a circle.

Right.

Alternatively:

When I design thing to be separate I always make sure they're visually conjoined.

Also, LOL at the (apparently) Aspies who can't handle a single word used incorrectly on the internet, even when the person who used it admitted it's use was not correct. You are aware this is the internet, right? Like, is this, your like, first, like time around here, like? Cuz it like, gets alot worse homie.

That is not a reasonable expectation given that a heavy armor wearer does not need to invest in the opposite tree.

I thought dragon armor was at the apex?

It's pretty obvious where the top of the smithing tree is.

But then you have to think of it like this, forging with light and heavy materials is a very different process. A smith who forged with heavy materials has to work his way up to being able to smith with Ebony. It would make no sense for someone with little to no experience of smithing with heavy materials to suddenly be as adept at someone who has extensively done so.

And of course weapons made from heavier materials would pack more of a punch than those from lighter materials.

The perk tree makes a lot of sense to me as it stands.

Tough luck bro. I'm not even using smithing because I love that thrill of finding new gear. All I have are the Steel smithing so I can unlock Arcane Blacksmith, and Arcane Blacksmith so I can also improve enchanted gear I find.

Well, it does apply, because if you could go from the top of the perk tree into any other line, then you should be able to do it consistently in all trees.

Regardless, I still say it makes sense for a heavy armor wearer to get better weapons than a light armor wearer. Although ES gives you options to break these rules, cloth=Mage, light armor=rogue and heavy armor=Warrior. Asking for your rogue to have the highest dps weapons and also have a damage bonus for Sneak is unfair.

It's not like you have to have the highest dps weapons in the game to complete the quests.

Indeed, so a skill tree would then branch such that the two are separate.

I cannot believe you people have this much difficulty grasping how even though the function is correct, the perk tree is visually broken; no matter what you say about it -> because it implies progression where said progression is actually impossible.

had they made it like a circle..i mean like a real circle, then I would agree.. The two branches ending up in a final perk on the other hand makes total sense. If I learn to smith light armor from scratch, slowly getting better and being able to craft type after type.. how could i then possibly just skip the entire learning process when it comes to heavy armor just because I can smith light.. Its like saying I learn to build bike, getting better and making better and better bikes. Then when I can make a world class tour de france bike, I can suddenly build a world class motorcycle without learning to build a basic one first..

And the reason the perk tree merges at the end is because the perks are arranged after material..and the last perk comes from dragons for both types..so common sense would indicate a light armor expert could make light armor from a dragon and a heavy specialist could make heavy armor..

I would find peace here if the best bows were from the light tree and the best melee from the heavy. This would give better justification.

The problem there of course is that weaponry is therefore unbalanced in favour of heavy armour users without justification. Heavy armour has nothing to do with enhanced offence, and yet that is what Bethesda pushed upon us.

Not that I particularly mind, I'll just add the Daedric perk via console.

You're*

If you're going to call someone an idiot at least have a decent enough grasp of the language you're going to do it in first. Free lesson for you.

Your is possessive. As in, this is your foot.
You're is you are.