'Sort' option for non-kinect users? : V - Skyrim

'Sort' option for non-kinect users? · » Thu May 03, 2012 3:00 pm

Uh, lol?

You said that mods are not an example of bias towards PC. I said "the CK is what he means"

In other words, "the CK itself is an example of bias toward PC."

The mods are not bias. The CK is, because Bethesda didn't have to release it. They put a great deal of effort into making it, for no other reason than to let PC users tinker with it. For free.

That's bias if anything is. TES has always favored PC. The winds are changing slightly. That's not a bad thing.

Still not an example of bias. They would have given it to you guys as well if your systems supported it.

» Thu May 03, 2012 6:55 pm

Still not an example of bias. They would have given it to you guys as well if your systems supported it.

I play on PC.

Bias is the holding of a partial perspective despite the existence of impartial alternatives.
Bethesda didn't have to create and release the CK, in which case there would have been the same content for all three platforms. That would have been impartial.

By releasing "extra" content in the form of the CK, Bethesda showed partisan favor for the PC. There's just no other way to describe that.

It's not a bad thing. But you have to at least realize what it is. It's free content that didn't have to be released. What can that be other than a partial perspective?

» Thu May 03, 2012 7:19 pm

If Fallout 4 is a game release for the new XBox than it does mean something, that Bethesda is in the back pocket of Microsoft.

I just gave you examples and you refuse to even understand what I wrote.

If it came out at the same time as PS3 would Beth be in their back pocket? EG Oblivion, the only reason it wasn't released straight away on Ps3 was because sony were too lazy to get their console out in time. I had a ps3. I got rid of it for an xbox because it wasn't as good. I now have a pc as well. I am completely unbiased but your claims are preposterous.

» Fri May 04, 2012 3:43 am

I play on PC.

Bias is the holding of a partial perspective despite the existence of impartial alternatives.
Bethesda didn't have to create and release the CK, in which case there would have been the same content for all three platforms. That would have been impartial.

By releasing "extra" content in the form of the CK, Bethesda showed partisan favor for the PC. There's just no other way to describe that.

It's not a bad thing. But you have to at least realize what it is. It's free content that didn't have to be released. What can that be other than a partial perspective?

IF BOTH PLATFORMS SUPPORTED THE CK BUT ONLY THE PC GOT IT THEN AND ONLY THEN WOULD IT BE AN EXAMPLE OF BIAS.

Holy hell I feel like I'm in the Twilight zone around here sometimes.

» Thu May 03, 2012 3:34 pm

360 will get the buggiest version. Let Beth work out the bugs then give it to PS3/PC.

» Thu May 03, 2012 8:03 pm

What grade are you in and is English like a second language to you? That's not what bias means at all.

bias is being more partial of one group/object/person/whatever is in question, but looking at the post after this one i suppose you could be right, beth may want to put the kit and mods on consoles as well

» Fri May 04, 2012 4:39 am

IF BOTH PLATFORMS SUPPORTED THE CK BUT ONLY THE PC GOT IT THEN AND ONLY THEN WOULD IT BE AN EXAMPLE OF BIAS.

Holy hell I feel like I'm in the Twilight zone around here sometimes.

Nope. You are incorrect.

By your logic, anything released for the PC that isn't supported by the other platforms is "unbiased" simply because the PC can do it and the consoles can't. That's wrong.

What would have been unbiased is if Bethesda had NOT spent time or money on a CK because 2/3 of their platforms can't support it. They shouldn't have bothered.

But they spent time, money, creative work-hours to make the CK and release it.
What exactly does all that expenditure constitute?

They spent money on the PC, extra money.

» Thu May 03, 2012 10:37 pm

Beth only cares about the 360, so forget about this happening on PS3/PC.

Correction, it seems that Beth now only cares about 360 users who also have Kinect. I guess I'm a second-class citizen now, since I don't own the gadget. Only first-class citizens can sort their containers. Excuse me while I move to the back of the bus . . .

» Fri May 04, 2012 5:34 am

Nope. You are incorrect.

By your logic, anything released for the PC that isn't supported by the other platforms is "unbiased" simply because the PC can do it and the consoles can't. That's wrong.

What would have been unbiased is if Bethesda had NOT spent time or money on a CK because 2/3 of their platforms can't support it. They shouldn't have bothered.

But they spent time, money, creative work-hours to make the CK and release it.
What exactly does all that expenditure constitute?

They spent money on the PC, extra money.

You're wrong.

» Fri May 04, 2012 4:21 am

This could be done in the menus. It doesn't require a free button or voice commands.

Enlighten me! How do I go about doing this? I will eat the words in my last post along with a helping of crow if you show me how this is done on the 360.

» Thu May 03, 2012 5:52 pm

Enlighten me! How do I go about doing this? I will eat the words in my last post along with a helping of crow if you show me how this is done on the 360.

"Could" be, not "Can" be. i.e, no, you can't do it without voice commands. Currently.

» Fri May 04, 2012 3:05 am

You're wrong.

PM

» Fri May 04, 2012 4:45 am

Omg I can picture it now
"We were forced to do Kinect and release the DLC on Xbox first. We had no other choice."
"The chests of gold didn't hurt."
"Damn! This isn't about gold!"

» Thu May 03, 2012 8:13 pm

"Could" be, not "Can" be. i.e, no, you can't do it without voice commands. Currently.

Exactly. This feature should have been in the UI all along.

» Fri May 04, 2012 1:50 am

well, since countless have lamented the piss-poor user interface since 11-11-11 and even after weeks of knowing the xbox was going to get some marginal UI improvement (sorting) they are stone silent about adding this for other platforms.

my conclusion is they aren't going to do anything about the crappy UI.

PC users get the mods.

Xbox(w/o kinect) and PS3 users shuffle to the back of the bus and be glad we let you stay on at all.

» Thu May 03, 2012 6:28 pm

360 users without Kinect don't have to "go to the back of the bus." They get Dawnguard exclusively before any other platform.

» Fri May 04, 2012 12:03 am

If they don't add a sort option for users who do not use Kinect, I'll probably sell Skyrim before Dawnguard comes out, seriously. That's ridiculous. Not that Bethesda cares, because they already have my 60 bucks. But at least I'll get a fraction of it back for this shallow, console biased game.

No you won't.

» Fri May 04, 2012 4:03 am

Correction, it seems that Beth now only cares about 360 users who also have Kinect. I guess I'm a second-class citizen now, since I don't own the gadget. Only first-class citizens can sort their containers. Excuse me while I move to the back of the bus . . .

Second class citizen? You're joking right?

» Thu May 03, 2012 10:16 pm

360 users without Kinect don't have to "go to the back of the bus." They get Dawnguard exclusively before any other platform.

that could be as bad as 11-11-11 all over again. let them beta test - fine with me.

I probably won't be buying any dlc anyway (still sore over wasting those dollars on FONV dlc)

» Fri May 04, 2012 6:05 am

Nope. You are incorrect.

By your logic, anything released for the PC that isn't supported by the other platforms is "unbiased" simply because the PC can do it and the consoles can't. That's wrong.

What would have been unbiased is if Bethesda had NOT spent time or money on a CK because 2/3 of their platforms can't support it. They shouldn't have bothered.

But they spent time, money, creative work-hours to make the CK and release it.
What exactly does all that expenditure constitute?

They spent money on the PC, extra money.

Actually, he is right and you are wrong. If you own the game on PC, because of the platform alone, you have so much more available to you as far as mods go. Want the mods, get the PC. If you own the game on Xbox with Kinect, you can use voice commands to do things such as organize inventory. If you want that ability, get the Xbox with Kinect (or, once again, get a PC which will eventually come up with something like it if not the same thing). Essentially that leaves the PS3, the only platform that offers nothing to its users. It isn't the PCs fault, it isn't Microsoft's fault, it isn't Bethesda's fault. Sheesh. Sony fans need to seriously re-evaluate their situation. They do a lot of complaining about how they get screwed and never point the finger at their own choices or the blessed Sony.

» Thu May 03, 2012 11:44 pm

What's wrong with the New Vegas DLC?

» Fri May 04, 2012 2:46 am

Bethesda is in the back pocket of Micrsoft. If you don't see that than you need to remove the blinders. Why do you think Oblivion was a release game for the XBox 360 when it first came out and why the next Bethesda game, most likely Fallout 4, will be a release game for the next Microsoft Console? Why do you think the game always runs better on the XBox than the PS3? Why do you think the game is designed for the XBox and then ported to the other systems? Let's not also forget that the new DLC will be XBox only to start with and come out later for the PC and PS3? Exclusivity anyone?

First, Oblivion was not a release title for the 360. It was intended to be (If my memory is correct, anyways), but it got pushed back from a launch title and was release sometime in 2006. And it was on the 360 and PC first because that was the platforms Bethesda had the system specifications for to make it for; if they weren't sure of the exact specifics of the PS3s hardware, you can't really develop a game for it. The 360 was out for a while longer than the PS3 was, as well, so presumably developers had more time to work with teh 360s hardware.

And Microsoft paid Bethesda to make the first two DLC for Skyrim timed exclusives; if Sony had been willing to pony up the money, I imagine they could have gotten timed exclusivity, instead, but they chose not to. And, of course, it means that 360 players get to spend a month to pay to bug test Dawnguard for PC and PS3 owners.

Anyways, shifting back to the topic, I'd love the option to sort my inventory by value, weight, etc without needing the Kinect, but I can live without it. Not about to fork over 150 dollars for a peripheral I have no real interest in.

» Fri May 04, 2012 2:23 am

I'm a PC user and I've been using the sort feature for months. Sky UI my man, Sky UI. It's one of the most popular mods for the PC. You can sort it by name, weight, value, or value/weight. You can also do text filter, which is awesome.

» Fri May 04, 2012 4:31 am

Second class citizen? You're joking right?

No, I'm exaggerating for dramatic emphasis.

I know our Skyrim woes in no way compare to the suffering of many Americans a half century ago, and earlier. To spell it out, it's flatly wrong to deny non-Kinect 360 users any basic functionality, like the proper sorting of items in containers. At the very least, default it to alphabetical, for Arkay's sake!

» Thu May 03, 2012 4:15 pm

While I do agree that the game should have a sort option, Ive never seen so many people complain about something so trivial and optional. First, we knew ahead of time that they were releasing the DLC first on the xbox, so quit complaining. Second, it was a kinect support update. If you have a kinect, good for you. If you don't, either get one, or shut up.