So you boost your skills and then complain you're too strong? Is that what I'm seeing on the board?

I have 80 in One Handed and 65 in Smithing, it still takes a ton of hits to kill a dragon.

Because YOU think so? I guess you are the authority?

Dumbest [censored] I've ever heard, really.

I CHOSE TO BE OVERPOWERED AND THEN COMPLAIN ABOUT IT.

Really? Really?

I play on PC, as a two-handed heavy armor wielding warrior, and slay shlt out of everything but still find the game challenging (I dont use the smithing exploit tough), but enjoyable on medium difficulty.
My friend plays on the xbox as a mage of destruction and is like untouchable, he kills anything before it could get near him! He likes it and says it's still challenging on medium. We are both on level 27. Only thing I feel a letdown in are dragons. They ARE too easy to beat, really a Giant/IceTroll/Stronger magician enemy can fu€k me up sometimes but not a dragon...!

I thought I was clear but perhaps not. I don't mean illusion powers up your destruction damage like alchemy can. I mean you attack the bad guys with multipletypes of things. Unlike hitting them with a sword that already has been combined w/3 other trees, for magic, you do this in real time. Meaning you may cast invisibility, attack, calm, do a lighting strike, conjur a sword, etc.

He says the exact opposite in the sneak video, idiot.

All this arguing over something so simple.

I havn't even delved into the 3 crafting skills.

But I have the solution for you already.

Get rid of the Alchemy effects that give +Bonus to other skills.
Get rid of the Enchantment effects that give +Bonus to other skills.


DONE!

Smithing has just been balanced.

In fact, each and every one of you can make a 'house rule' to use all parts of each skill except the effects that are the true cause of the imbalance.
In the same way people make arbitray rules to walk everywhere instead of using the fast travel option.

DONE!

If you were a 1 Handed warrior who specialiazed in Smithing only. Is smithing overpowered by itself if you remove the stacking effects that can be gained by the other 2 crafting skills?

I always thought drinking a potion that increases my skill in 2-handed or heavy armor was kind of dumb anyway.
Health, Magicka, Stamina and poisons to attack those 3 stats.
Invisibility, protections from poisons, magic. etc
They all make sense for a liquid boost.

Potions that make you better at smithing? No sense.
Skooma maybe, cause its the equivalent of tweak. Tweakers do not make superior products though.

By your answer alone I can say that you are the type of player that does only the MQ in a game like skyrim, one playthrough with a sword warrior and never tries anything else.

As of me I play different builds: 1 handed warior with shield, archer, dual wield 1h, 2handed, mage, battlemage, thief. For me a mage is lagging behind the other classe I play.

Wait, wait, what? Please explain why on a a different play-through your player is lagging behind other classes? To clarify those characters will never meet or battle or party up or have any connection whatsoever, so why are you trying to compare or balance them? You're supposed to have a more difficult time with a mage, sometimes the game is more difficult for my dual unarmed khajiit but I'm not making threads about it, heck I'm not even asking for H2H perks. If the game is too difficult turn the difficulty down (hurr durr), if its too easy turn up the difficulty, Skyrim isn't a challenging game its an immersion game be immersed in it and don't worry about other characters.

LOL at bethesda nut huggers trying to defend what is obviously a poorly balanced magic system. Makes no sense for damage to not scale as you level up like every other skill already does.

destruction magic and magic regen are not properly balanced, thats a fact period. everything else mentioned is moot.

People saying your not a mage if you only specialize in destruction? ROFL, elemental specialist who specialize in damage have been around in every fantasy story ever written and are the most popular mages. Many games call them sorcerers. In a game that says play who you want, the magic system forces you to play how you DO not want to... It's BS.

You SHOULD not have to use conjuration (The most boring magic school) to be viable. Fact is destruction damage is not scaling peoperly...... FACT

This needs to be patched.

The game isn't balanced nor should it be, its a single player game

An absolutely moronic post. Yes the systems in a SP game should be balanced, LMAO. What a dumb thing to say.... If it isnt its poorly done... Each in game mechanic needs to be flushed out and balanced, Sp or MP. Saying otherwise is idiotic. Thats nothing but amking up excuses for bethesda. Every other RPG I have played has and strives for well done balance and mechanics. It's what every dev strives for.

Fine, then I want my unarmed khajit to do the same damage as your destruction mage.

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Mages are always the highest DPS guys buty are weaker up close, thats a trade off.not rocket science... Unarmed combat is supposed to be weaker.

In skyrim, Mages have weak damage and are weak up close..................Its not done right. So they have nothing going for them.

Fact is unarmed skills scale properly, Destruction does not, not rocket science.

I'd like that to be possible as well but they removed it as a skill for some reason.

I will say about that balance thing, the primary balance(assuming you are not working the system or using exploits) they should be concerned about is player vs the environment or game. Not one skill set vs the other skill set. The thing is if you do balance against the game, then like skill sets like 2 different DPS skill sets would be roughly balanced. Additionally destruction really isn't balanced vs the game because once you master the skill as you level up past that point you actually get weaker and not stronger vs the game which is counter to a leveling based system. You can always beat the game but as you level you sold be getting more powerful or at least stagnant relative to the game world not less.

According to your argument it should be balanced, A khajiit is basically a bipedal tiger with razor sharp claws he has no shield and has to get up close to do damage, therefore unarmored should do the most "DPS" (lol DPS) so where is the balance between unarmed and destruction?

Unarmed is balanced it scales the way it should Destruction does not...... how hard is that to understand? No one said every skill does equal damage, there just needs to be a balance. Magic does high damage but are weak up close, right now they deal weak damage and are weak = broken. Balance in a game does not mean everything being equal LOL, are people on thos forum 2?

You dont even know what balance means ROFL.

I don't buy it on the 2 hitting the dragon. My smithing and One Handed is high and I can't even come close to doing that, and he's on the HARDEST difficulty.

Some console [censored] was involved for sure.

Oh and in the sneak video he misses hitting the guy two or three times and is basically touching him. I'm sorry but they'd notice, they notice if you miss with a single arrow! They get up and start looking for you.

Yep, someone gets it.

There is melee enemies in game, and you're playing to kill them in order to do quests. You don't give crap because you don't care, which means you have no reason to be read it, comment it. People tend to post it on forums so Bethesda can see it and test it and maybe fix it.

EXACTLY! WHY IS EVERYONE NOT UNDERSTANDING THIS??

Unarmed does scale but its nowhere close to the amount of damage destruction does, how hard is that to understand? It must be difficult since your trying to balanced a single player game where you use one skill set (Destruction) and expect it to match the overall performance of someone that uses perks from 1. 2H, 2. Smithing 3. Enchanting 4. Alchemy & 5. Heavy Armor.

EDIT: Just noticed your edit, and quite frankly I'm familiar with balance games like Starcraft2 they are competitive and are balanced. You cannot have balance in a single player open world game.

Hey a lot of us are all behind unarmed not svcking. If I had designed the game ti would have been tied to one handed skill, there would be a fist of steel perk that would let the blunt perks apply, then another perk for fighting spirits etc. and items and or perks to keep it pace with other weapons.

Where did i say I expect it to match thhe performancer of 5 total skills? LMAO, the Destruction skill SHOULD scale it doesn't FACT, nothing else you say is even relevant. How hard is that to understand. And YES destruction is SUPPOSED to be the most powerfull offense in the game the trade fof is mages are weak up close.... Again how hard is that to understand?

Who said I was using 1 skill? I can use restoration , alteration for defense, Enchantment, speech and destruction thats 5, still gimped because my destruction damage skill doesnt scale... Can you undersatnd english?

You can and many have ad balance, hell oblivion had betetr balance. Every class in Oblivion was viable, in Skyrim mages are severely gimped for offense.

Every game in the planet needs balance, SP or MP....... Having one class main specialty being literally broken and gimp is a big issue for those who want to play it. So much for being open and playing how you want.......