Yeah her face does change. It gets a lot wider and she developed quite the manly jaw. Her old face looked much better.

So she gets http://images.uesp.net/d/dc/SR-npc-Fura_Bloodmouth.jpg kind of face? That's creepy.

What Order are you talking about, the only one i know of is the Order of the Virtuous Blood, but they were vampire hunters.

There is an order referred to in a book written by a vampire of Cyrodiil. It's nothing you can technically formally join, but it kind of claims all vampires that live within society as a member. It encourages vampires to excel in the political arenas and things of the sort. Infiltrate and control from behind the scenes. Really, they remind me so much of World of Darkness' Camarilla that it's a little bit bonkers.

You wouldn't happen to know the name of the book would you? It sounds interesting, and i want to see if i can find it.

Cyrodiilic Vampires are just plain awesome. Too bad we never got to join them.
This book: http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Manifesto_Cyrodiil_Vampyrum

More or less the Camarilla and the Venture from World of Darkness, or the Illuminati or even the "Sith" from Star Wars.

Not as severe, but I think her good covers up a good portion of it.

I would have loved of they would have expanded on the radiant quests where you fight feral vampires or vampires fighting seperate covens, except have those covens have different strains (eg volkihar or the order). The order would have been the "old vampires" with a little revamp to improve personality and vampire seduction while the volkihars are the ones with the revamp. It would have added for some interesting stories. Like the two clans would have to join forces to defeat the dawnguard but then the order would turn on the volkihars since they realized blotting out the sun would not be good for their future goals of political intrigue or something like that.

I agree. She's one of the few intriguing characters and that works exactly because her vampirism is not obvious and it's not explained what's going on with her - like that vampire she gets you to kill - did he turn her and it's revenge? Does she really hate vampires generally or is she trying to draw attention away from her own vampirism? If that's changed to I'm a glowy eyed bloodsvcker except nobody can notice but you LOL, that's just crap.

I really dislike this vampires with glowing eyes and red lines rubbish. I wish they'd left their appearace alone.

If she is then why does she treat me like dirt even after Oh wait, all of the court treats me like that. Yep, she must be one of them.

I personally don't see whats all the commotion about her appearance i think she looks alright

I think the glowing eyes are a dead give away and her make over that gives her a manly jaw is terrible. I liked the way she used to look.

She has had the post for a long time...

You think people would want a vampire in their court? Sure, some people suspected something was wrong, but the new yellow orbs as eyes and the pale face is a dead giveaway.

This exactly. Her face looks like she hasn't fed in a while, or just manly looking.

I think many in the court pretty much knows she's a vampire and lets not forget she is a mage many vampires use the mage excuse hell the archmage of winterhold even says if you are talented what you can learn may last several lifetimes.

I think that quote means that if you're talented, you'll find spells/incantations/recipes for potions to prolong your life far beyond its natural limit. There's nothing particularly indicating talent in becoming a vampire. Just shows you were (un)lucky enough to survive your encounter long enough to turn.

Yeah I am saying that's the excuse Sybille might be using for the reason why she looks that way and why she is still so young.

Your point has one positive and one negative.

The positive is: Yes mages live longer and many use that excuse. Janus Hassildor for example.

The negative: the court aren't the only ones that see her. She's present every day for every visitor.

Vampires in general shouldn't have been so obvious when they're "blending in". Blending in is the whole point. If it were just orange eyes it would be fine: something that's a hint to vampire hunters but not solid proof for the public. But the glowing eyes are a dead giveaway. I can't suspend my disbelief and pretend that no one notices that. Even fangs can be hard to see sometimes if you focus on not opening your mouth too much, not allowing more than a passing glimpse of them, but glowing orange eyes are unavoidably noticeable as long as your eyes are open.

This is unsettling, how is a vampire supposed to stalk it's prey if they are obviously a bloodsvcker? It's like a tiger trying to stalk it's prey in a wide open area with muted gray colors, everything within a five mile radius will know exactly what it is and keep far away.

Sybille Stentor is quite obviously of the porphyric hemophilia strain, like so with Movarth Piquine.
It's simplified or oblivious of Bethesda to give her the sanguinare vampiris strain's appearence.

Now what they should of done is to have created a seperate race and disease for the vampire strains.
For undeniable evidence shows that both are in skyrim. And if the duo were given more definition,
the grounds for this varying in-house hatred would be more understandable within Dawnguard.

Like that found in Morrowind, where clans of vampires were split in ideologies and attributes.

To that point- relating the volkihar more to frost (like by giving them the draugr frost eyes script),
the vampire lords the actual 'glow' effect and the cyrodillic ones no change at all could be preferable.
Which I'm sure to do once Dawnguard comes out on PC, so I can modify it to the seven hells and back.

You might wanna check out my http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1392951-an-idea-of-how-vampires-and-werewolves-could-have-been-done/ about how vampires could have been handled in Dawnguard. I really like your idea of Volkihar having the Draugr frost eyes.

I think I should just buy Skyrim for the PC and add the Cyrodiilic vampires. Ha. I will conform to the modder's ways.

I can't code for the life of me, so I wouldn't be able to mod for quite a while if I got a PC that could run Skyrim. Still, it'd be nice to get the PC version so I can access things that were either cut from the game (Werewolf's Night Eye grrr...), things that were never in the game but should have been (lore-abiding Volkihar), or things that just seem like fun (light sabers).

This exactly! My only problem with Skyrim for the PC is I cannot stand the controls on a computer. I hate using the keyboard and mouse to play that is kind of what ruined Morrowind for me.