Taverns are not even better than Oblivion.Atleast in Oblivion, every tavern were uniqe. In Skyrim, every inn looks the same.

Talking 'bout copy/pasting eh?

That's the biggest problem. They all look the same.

If you think Skyrim has the best taverns then you've obviously haven't played anything prior to Oblivion. Especially not Daggerfall.

That happens in Riften with Haelga's Bunkhouse

You seem to be overreacting.

I'd rather not see a forum full of depressively hateful threads which focus on the bad aspects of this game.

It's too one sided and it gives a bad impression of not only the game, but the people on these forums as well.

I disagree.
It's always been a mixed bag. Always will.
And someone who draws overarching conclusions about a game or people upon reading a small fraction of posts has no clue at all. There's nothing in common about the thousands who post here under anonymity except the fact they post here under anonymity. Everything else is but a futile attempt to extract, generalize and pigeonhole.

Respectfully, I would urge you not to be petty.

I see shrewd definitions with a self-serving opinion. So I agree to disagree, as always.
And for me to be petty? nah, I leave that to people who will to defend the forever unpleased.

Not only is it petty it is also futile.
Hundreds before have urged others to, quote, quit complaining and look what that has achieved.
You're just the latest.

It's a good thing this forum is a mixed bag, lots of praise, lots of criticism, lots of everything in between.
You will read sinilar posts from me should a forever pleased gamer be slammed by the displeased majority.

Taverns is ok, however the design is a bit to similar, almost is they are run by an franchise.

Wow.
Such a mature reply.
Here I thought Finns were not capable of making questionable public appearances.
Another stereotype dies.

I do not wise to argue, my friend. I shall simply let you have your opinion and I have mine, deal?

Don't be sarcastic. Especially when you say you agree with me.

What I'm getting at, is that the game is coming out in 6 months time. You have a massive fanbase who are awaiting the games release, and a small number of them on the forums every single day waiting for release. And one of the tasty morsels of information you offer them is that "Tavern brawls are a lot of fun"

Paying some guy 100 gold, for us to have a boxing match, while other patrons stand around, a few of them facing the wrong way, and make comments supporting one or both or neither of us isn't what I was expecting. Neither was I expecting that if a wild swing hit the patron walking blindly and directly between us that the entire tavern would attempt to turn my ass into sushi with swords and axes.

Exactly. What I was imagining was full out western tavern brawls. And that punching someone with your fists would automatically force them into a state when they didn't use weapons, so if you were resisting arrest with your fists the guards would beat you into submission, instead of butchering you. That's what I expected would be possible with tavern brawls.

Just the shot for one of their 'short' dlc's Todd Howard mentioned on Kotaku:

Skyrim: Boozehound.

Do you see yourself as a drunken bar fly listening to inane repetive up themselves bards? Or are you an agro drunken nord warrior who doesn't know when to stop? It's in your hands now...

(True to life technicolour yawns and barf sounds included)

Thats good. Yet to see it myself.


This is why I'm glad I play on PC. I realise Bethesda can't include everything but mods can add a lot in. As for advlt options I probably wouldn't use them but I'd like them there. Just part of making the world more real.

I thought taverns were all right, to be honest. Met my expectations, I guess. I just think they're a little too quiet. They should have more of a bustling atmosphere.
On the other hand, I really didn't like how you couldn't play an instrument or anything. It pretty much made joining the bard college redundant. I mean, sure your a bard, but playing a little tune on your lute? Bah!
If a mod comes out so that you can actually play an instrument or something then .

The Bards could certainly have a more songs instead of about two. I can`t see why they could have had at least 5 for variety.

By the way, taverns do get quite full if you go to them at the right time of day, like about 7 at night.

A lot, lot better yes.

Clearly Bethesda were running out of time and just made them all look the same outside of the main city but yeah there is no atmosphere to them at all and some even have a sound effect of lots of people talking yet the Inns are pretty dead.

I know. I've been there myself, and I find nothing more annoying than NPCs who refuse to sleep. I really hope that they rectify this by adapting the Gamejam feature of being able to feed without having to wait for them to fall asleep, not that I have an issue with feeding on sleeping NPCs, but the problem is, it's hard to find NPCs who actually sleep.
Yeah, but one-time-only brawls against one person that are virtually impossible to lose was NOT what I had in mind for tavern brawls, though. Brawling as it is right now is just plain boring because of the lack of a real challenge IMHO, and I don't even normally say stuff like that.
Now that's more like a tavern brawl. Stuff where everybody in the tavern either engages in nonlethal combat or flees, and continues until either all are downed or possibly the guards come to break it up.

I can see that a more sedate and well behaved crowd would frequent the Winking Skeever, being Solitude and somewhat more cultured...but I would have expected more rowdy behaviour in a place like Whiterun, somewhat more reserved behaviour in the small villages, like Riverwood and Rorikstead, with perhaps troublesome out-of-towners thrown in (country places tend to be more conservative), and in Riften I would have expected a more shadowy and shifty tavern and clients, despite the fact there is a crim one anyway.

For tavern brawls, they should be more or less non-lethal, otherwise you could lose most of a town in one, and they could link it in to the crime system, by having the guards break them up, and arrest people...fines could be imposed to replace furniture, etc, and the places should reset after you have left the tavern.

It would be nice to weave this sort of thing into the plot, because it actually adds to the role-playing and entertainment value. After all, Nords pride themselves on their fighting and drinking...at the moment it's less 'viking like' and more 'Country Women's Association'...

Oh, might also throw in the local monk/monkettes and priests wandering around asking for donations in the Taverns...always a good way to boost the temple coffers (get them when their drunk).

Yes. this was badly done on Bethesda`s part. I know they were trying to build atmosphere, but it is clearly obvious that there are only 2 or 3 people in the Tavern it just sounds weird to hear sounds of 20 or 30 people.

What no one has addressed so far, is the beer better than in Cyrodiil?

No, but it doesn't change the fact that you're trolling, and that you're not wanted

Mead FTW, but I really wish there was one last surviving 399 bottle somewhere as an Easter egg.
On the subject of brawls being easy, do you all wear your armour in the towns?

I quite like the taverns actually, but I agree that the bards need more songs. I'm getting tired of hearing that Rognor the Red song (or whatever its called) over and over again...