I'm not saying they need to be bullied but that the reason they are being bullied is partly their own doing as well as the bullies.
And that belief is what drags everything else down, I actually do not see the point in protecting that that cannot protect itself. Sure lets pretend we're all civilised and live in harmony among the birds and the bees while we allow those above us with power to reign over us

- Hmm technically anyone living under a goverment is a victim of some sort of bullying.

Edit how i suicide "the brave way"? We all die eventually and it's still unknown. It is selfish, because when you commit suicide you believe you have nothing to offer the world except for the removal of your existence. The world is all about you. Psychologically will often make are own hell and live in it. Yes bullying can be detrimental. There's always a choice and there's always a way out besides suicide In the context of school bullying.

Who the [censored] are you to condemn?

This topic is about teenage bullying causing suicide. So a teenager is bullied and wants to commit suicide because he/she has no hope. Apparently hope can only be derived from school and what goes on there. You would be right if school was their entire life, It's not.

Someone who's lost a parent to suicide. I don't feel that I'm selfish for my belief, but I don't hate the world like you seem to so we have different viewpoints.

Kids will always bully each other, because they are kids. Kids arent fully developed people and will act accordingly, they will go hard on the weaker ones becuase it feels self-fullfilling. Also many bullies have problems at home and need a place to unload their problems.

I'd be interested in your definition of "weaker". What about race or class based bullying?

Bullying is a natural part of human tendency. That does not mean it's right or good. Everybody thinks it's becoming commonplace schools and other social activities. It's pure bull, it's as bad as it ever was. Really society Is more sensitive to bullying and the media is certainly more active in reporting it. Throughout history it only changes form. One of the more recent evolutions cyber bullying. That is something that can be prevented if children are made aware that they have a choice to say no. As to suicide, well bullying is only one dimension to anyone who goes so far to take their own life. If these same people had good homes with support from their families, suicide would've not been an option. Their families should be a place where they could openly share their thoughts and concerns. Parents should take the time to listen and make themselves available not because of duty but out of love. Now and days many are concerned with making a living before raising their children. Some, it seems, expects the public school system to raise their children... more or less personal opinion there. Parenting is on the only dimension but it is a big one. Suicide only happens when there's a loss of total hope. Bullying can contribute but it's most certainly not the big picture.

Weaker as in weaker physically and / or weaker mind.

Racial bulling I wouldnt count as bulling.

And why not?

And I'd posit those that would succumb to the peer pressure generated by bullying are perhaps the weakest minds of all.

I consider that to be worse than bulling.

No I disagree. Those bullied are the weakest ones in the "group". Those who are either still not developed enough, over emotinall or low self estem. Those are bullied. Now those who bully also have problems but those are usually of another nature, ranging from mental problems, to immaturity to problems at home.

Can we please stay off the topic of religion and stop posting inflammatory comments to one another? We can discuss this without getting personal.



Not true. People keep trying to put logic in where it has no place. When someone is depressed and is being put under the constant draining stress of being bullied, then they can no longer think logically or normally. Family and friends can't always fix the problem and they can only support you if accept it - a thing most people with depression aren't able to do. It is called a mental illness for a reason.

Personally, I think there needs to be stricter laws, but I've said that before on another thread on the subject. You'd be surprised how many situations where the law actually fails the victim. And usually, you don't find out until you're standing in the place of the victim.

Narmy: I'm sincerely sorry to hear that.

So why is racially motivated bullying worse, exactly?
Surely no matter what the cause of bullying is, as long as the severity is equal, it's all equally bad, right?

I think those that join in the bullying to avoid being bullied themselves ARE the weakest. In my experience bullied people have a strength of character not present in the weasly scum who bully out of self preservation. I think if anyone *has* bullied out of fear they'd be bullied themselves, it's them I have the most issue with. Subhuman, ratlike creatures in my opinion.

I dont know why really but I consider raical bulling worse. Maybe beacuse a race is a huge group where one bullied perso is only one.

Thos who join in to bulling to avoid being bullied themselves are also weak but they do poesess some quality that keeps them from being bullied in the first place so no the bullied one is the weakest. Still the ones who join in are often cowards with low self estem.

That's what I mean by "strong" I guess. Bullies are total cowards, the bullied generally aren't.

But why does it become any better because the person bullied belongs to a smaller group? it's all individual isn't it?

How do you figure when you sya bullied ones arent cowards? What makes them brave? The bullied ones I hav known, and I have know quite many of both sides, have been real cowards who dont dare to stand up for themselves.

Maybe you can explain what you mean by racial bulling a bit more?

Well, I was bullied both for my race and for my father's mental illness. Perhaps you can tell me how this is my fault?

Bullies are total cowards, the bullied generally aren't.

the bullied are total cowards, bullies generally aren't