It's funny, kids are taught to worship the lord and follow the philosophy of the Bible yet they judge and hurt others, great religious folks (I'm not saying all religious people do this). But part of it is how they're raised.

The problem with bullying is school as some of the other people on here have said because it is true, if a student who is being bullied does something to protect himself and ends up hitting the bully or something they get in more trouble than the bully, which is wrong, and if they do not and then they just tell a school employee and the bully gets suspended or detention then he will just come back with a vengeance on that poor kid. Really one of the main reasons bullying sticks around is because of lack of discipline which schools no longer has because if a teacher even touches a student the school can be sued. I say teachers and principals should be able to hit students as punishment if they are bullying someone because then that gives bullies less motive to bully and I think kids who are bullied should not get in any trouble at all for beating the [censored] out of a bully in self-defense, unless they like stab or shoot the bully that is going to far.
Sorry for such a long post I just feel strongly about this because I had guys that bullied and harassed this girl on my bus when I was in high school and I couldn't do anything because I was about to turn 18 so I could have gotten into serious trouble if I did do something.

advlts really need to stop telling their kids that high school is "the best years of their lives". It's a terrifying lie.

Well said, I completely agree with you I went to high school in a rural type of area where the redneck country kids were exactly the way you said and they hated blacks, gays, or anyone who didn't like country. I honestly felt like a superior being in my high school.

Your welcome. Jk.

It is indeed. Especially in your freshman year when those ~3+ years ahead of you seem like an eternity. Of course when it's all over, it'll feel like it flew right by. You then go on to work or college, move away, or whatever you decide to do and never have to deal with those same jerks again.



I don't know about MORE trouble, but at the high school I went to, you certainly got into just as much trouble for fighting back.

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I agree I couldn't wait to get out of high school and I never will see any of those people again, high school is by far no where near the best and easiest time of your life it svcks, college is much better.
In my high school if you were being bullied and say they were pushing you against a locker or something and calling you names and threatening you and you decide to punch them and beat them up you would get in more trouble than the bully even if it had been going on for awhile, injustice was very common in my high school.

That looks good!

Yeah, I almost did this some six years back, and suffice to say those weren't the best years of my life. Six years of excessive bullying killed whatever capability of human emotion there is in me, though sometimes I see it as a good thing. It did also leave me with a set of psychological scars and mental conditions. I do sometimes think about paying those [censored]ers back with a load of physical violence but for now I don't think it's worth it.

As for suicide itself a buddy of mine pulled the trigger on himself a year back. Can't say I felt overly bad about it, but when I learned why did it I was quite disappointed. Reason for his suicide were very minimal domestic stuff.

I never get bullied, but the crippling loneliness is getting hard to deal with.

Suicide is understandable but selfish. The others around the individual who committed the act have to pick up the pieces. It doesn't matter for the suicidee though, because after death is nothingness.

It's extremely selfish and cowardly, to take the easy route rather than rely on those who care.

This sentiment constantly frustrates me. Severe depression is not simply "Sadness +1", but is almost like a form of insanity in the way it distorts someone's perception of the world around them. It's not as simple as a case of someone not thinking of those around them; often the person doing it believes they are doing those around them a favor. The circumstances and mindsets involved are of course different for each person, but for many it's believed that the people they left behind will be glad not to have to deal with them anymore. On the subject of bullying, it is in fact rather common for bullies to tell people that killing themselves will be doing everyone a favor. Accusing people of selfish cowardice for their emotional problems is unnecessarily antagonistic, and ironically rather selfish in itself. The worst though is for someone who's actually suicidal to be exposed to it, because the only thing they're going to be taking away from the sentiment is "and good riddance", which is not going to help them any.

up until high school i was ostracized by all of my peers, as a result i am highly independent and not influenced by any one other than my own impulses.

i quite like being a pariah.

Lucky, I have to shuffle between apathy and struggling for acceptance.

Everyday I see/hear of someone committing suicide, it's a shame.
Latest one I saw in the news was http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/mar/02/pc-david-rathband-found-hanged.

It's a natural thing, and there is many ways to deal with it.
Depending on how you deal with it and how naturally self-confident you are, it will either make or break you (depending on severity ofcourse).

I hope I'm misinterpreting what you're saying as it sounds like you're blaming the victims for what ultimately happens to them here. If a bully's behaviour is getting to someone, it's the bully's responsibility and they should be held accountable, end of story. Sadly it doesn't happen anywhere near as often as it should, and as others have pointed out, any attempts at retribution are often punished more harshly, which is pretty disgusting.

I'd also say that it's not natural: it is commonplace, but most people don't do it. I've had trouble with bullies in the past and when I think back, they were all weirdos, people who really didn't have any degree of normal social functioning. Bullying's not so much human nature as sociopaths' nature.

I agree in part, but I think being too quick to accuse someone in that position of being "selfish and cowardly" is to fail to understand what they're going through. Playing devil's advocate here, but is it not selfish to expect someone who's going through hell to still put the needs of others first, people whose lives are measurably better? Which isn't to say I'm advocating suicide at all, I've seen the devastation it can cause, but in at least some of those cases, if those who cared did so a bit more, it might have never happened. Sadly, what I have seen is the sort of behaviour that helped push someone over the edge didn't stop, lessons weren't learnt; and if even that doesn't make people change their behaviour, I guess nothing will.

I wouldn't say its ultimately the bullies fault that the victim is a victim. There are many points in the bully cycle that the victim can break the cycle - even before it begins. But if this victim doesn't stand up for themselves, I'd say they are more responsible for the prolonged suffering they caused themselves. I'd say its 50/50.

I've known this too well, that's why I usually prepared a story as to make the bully look worse than he was so I get off lighter, and under one-to-one kind of pressure my eyes water so that makes me look less like the bad guy

I'd say it is natural, in nature the strong prey on the weak. When it comes to bullying its mostly the exact same just on a personal scale. The bullies I encountered were much like myself but dumb as [censored] in comparison, most only kept up the act when they were in their safety groups - they weren't the worst ones and we formed a friendship (kinda) when one-on-one. Then there was the ones who'd do it regardless if there was an auidence or not - These ones couldn't be dealt by simple ignorance but my showing I'm physically superior, and it turned out these ones all left school earlier, found no employment anywhere or any other form of education and are in fact the scum of society, they were the sociopaths.

Perhaps I should have said "fault" rather than "responsibility": I'm rather in the habit of understating things... sure, it's their victims' responsibility to minimise the impact where possible, but if their personal situation isn't amenable to that, there's still no blame attached: that really does belong 100% to the bully. Quite often when someone doesn't stand up for themselves it's due to the lack of support from those who should be providing it, in which case they also share some of the responsibility.


I've noticed that with a lot of these people, their behaviour often changes when they have an "audience" to play up to. I just find them too two-faced to bother with, you can never rely on or trust someone like that. Interesting looking at where they are now, as you've noticed, most aren't a success and try desperately to dress up what they still have; though most are surprisingly quiet given how vocal they were way back when. Okay, not everyone else's lives are guaranteed to have turned out great either, but at least with other people it's not because they've made themselves a pariah...

As far as I'm concerned a bully is no better than any criminal and should be treated as such. I had problems in school with bullies until I punched back and they moved on. They moved on because they are weak, they target people they think are also weak to try and make themselves feel big. If you stand up for yourself more often than not they will start to leave you alone

If I was the parent of a child that was getting bullied I'd put my fist through the bullies face and if you as the parent of the bully don't like that then control your [censored] child or keep your legs closed and your [censored] in your pants until you can raise a child to not bully others.

Schools in England (can't speak for other places) at least in my school the teachers did nothing to stop bullying they would just turn round and say ignore it..... how the [censored] can you ignore it and also I think teachers are to afraid to do anything, they have next to no powers to discipline kids and the kids know that.

This is what pushes people to react in extreme ways such as that boy in the video that stabbed the boy bullying him through the heart, he had no one to go to because no one could do anything. That is what I know from my own experience.

I'm still not convinced that the victim in the situation shouldn't be held responsible for their own suffering at the hands of a bully. It's sort of like saying it's not the alcoholics fault he's a drunk, it's the alcohols and the goverment/peopls for failing him
It's true that not everyone is the same, and not everyone has the courage to take a stand with or without support but that shouldn't take the blame away from them, I feel that society these days is becoming too quick to just point the finger instead of looking at the wider picture - usually when the wider picture is looked at its too late though.

It's unfortunate when someone young loses their lives to something so stupid. I feel we should maybe focus on the families affected by the loss of a child and not so much on the "bullying".

Sorry, but that's one of the worst anologies I've ever seen, and the attitude that a victim should be held responsible for being bullied in that context is frankly reprehensible.