Sorry man but that sounds a bit self-entitled, like are you coming off as those that played Doom back in the 90's are superior than those of today? Or just gaming in general?

Little bit of history, Names Scott Burns, born in 1992, a good year before DOOM was released upon the world. Now I never played it back in the day. When I was a kid, my first experience with an FPS was with Red Faction on the PS2, wasn't much into it's singleplayer or gaming in general. Fast forward to December 2006, a couple of days before New Year, I just recently got an Xbox solely for Sonic the Hedgehog (Sonic '06) and later on got a points card, so I'm wondering what to buy? In the end it was Sonic 1, Ultimate MK 3 and DOOM.

From the moment I touched DOOM I fell in love, the fast paced action, the sheer amount of monsters, the blood, the satanic imagery, everything!!! I had discovered something new for myself and developed a liking for FPS games in general. I may not have played it "back in the day" but I'm glad I played it while I'm still young, since then I've played and beaten Doom 1,2 and 3, Wolfenstein 3D, Wolfenstein (2009), Quake 1,2,3 and 4, Duke 3D, Duke Nukem Forever, Prey and RAGE as far as old skool games are concerned and I certainly DO prefer the old skool style over modern FPS games. Now don't get me wrong, I adore some modern FPS games but as far as action/shooting gaming goes, DOOM all the way.

I'm also a Console Gamer first, don't like PC *prepares to be bricked* Though have Quake 1 and Hexen on the PC (since they svcks on the Sega Saturn).

If I can find a love for those games in this day and age, anyone can! Also new to this forum, so hey everyone!

Also random gaming facts:

I play PC games on my Netbook with a 360 controller :3 (Come at me bro's)

Briefly in High School we hooked up multiplayer for Unreal Tournament in Computing Classes (Does this redeem me? :V )

I liked the DOOM movie Only things I hated was lack of Satanic imagery, Lack of Monsters and The Rock.

Goes without saying, but I liked DOOM 3, sure it's more linear, but so is Quake 4 and Duke Nukem Forever.

I don't consider the Serious Sam games old skool, sure it has arcade-like gameplay and such but it has terrible pacing.

This is what you people have to understand. iD software didn't make these ports. You guys are attacking a team that is working on DOOM 4 and an unknown project. Why is iD going to bother wasting their time on a HD release? Also, back in the day iD didn't have to answer to anybody but themselves.

There's a guy on youtube trying to play DOOM 3. He couldn't even figure out where to go. He relied too much on games holding his hand. The person you replied didn't mean our generation is superior. You had to been there when the FPS market was new, the ages of Quake & Half-Life. Now, it just feels more companies are just copying off of each other. I was playing with one of the best Battlefield 3 players. On the PS3 & 360, I have a very good W/L and K/D R. I was bored of the game. The technology was good, (engine), but I couldn't stand the maps. I even built a 1,400 PC just to play BF3 with my friends on that platform. You try playing 48-64 players on Operation Metro or Caspian Border with only 24 players. It didn't work. While it's not terrible, it was inferior to Battlefield 2. It felt as if DICE was going after a different market. (Call of duty). The money part of the business has ruined this industry. I do understand companies do it for the money and pride. Now, it just feels they're doing it for the money. I feel as if they're doing nothing new to ensure they're going to get as many people as they can for max profits.

for an example. NFL 2k5 is superior to Madden 13. Imo, Madden 13 only beats NFL 2k5 in graphics. I feel Madden is missing something because EA doesn't have to comepte with anybody. EA sports watched a $20 dollar game take a good share of their customers away and now we only have 1 choice of an NFL game. Can you imagine if gamers only had to choose MLB 2k9 and never having the option for the The Show 09? It's hard to explain man. The technology is better, the drive isn't there anymore it seems.

Lol, you would be pulverized...
So basically it lacked everything that makes Doom what it is, lol.
The movie is okay on its own, but it is most definitely not a Doom movie xD

No, I'm not saying I'm better or anything. I'm just from a different time, and I feel I'm wiser and more experienced then someone freshly popped out of mommy with a halo or a call of duty (or whatever you crazy kids play these days) in their hand. SilentDecay has it right so I wont say more than that.

This is exactly what i was talking about.
On post earlier, i wrote this:


Making different versions for all different markets is unprofitable and therefore nonstandard.


But as obviously nobody has noticed before, i'm going to also repost this:


EVEN THE OLD DOOM 1 VERSION AVAILABLE ON PC IS CENSORED! And this was way before id was bought by Bethesda...

Indeed, but was an early version of the game. Not the version of it that has been around for 10 years

Nobody complained back then when they removed the swastika in 1994.
And nobody complains now that even Doom I in this release is censored.
That's my point.

Does it make a difference WHEN something is censored?
Is it that you're just missing the familiar looking visuals of a Doom II version you're accustomed to?

It isn't for me. I dislike any form of censorship just because of the fact that somebody else tells me what to read, see or hear.

Well now I have seen it all. ID Software playing the whinny politically correct game with the rest of the morons in this world. (facepalm)

Is it idSoft or Zenimax?

Well, that what happens when you get succesfull. Playing it safe and no idealism allowed

That's what happens when you want to sell it in Germany.

I'm not sure if it's just Germany....

it's only Germany. It made business sence for them to make a single sku everybody, which means that single sku has to be sellable in all countries.

If you don't like something...go fix it yourself, you guys are all id veterans you know your way around a wad editor .

It would also make business sense for them to secretly manufacture crystal meth on the side. But that doesn't mean they should, or have a right to do it.

They have every right to take out whatever they want in a re-release of a game they own the rights to, you also have the right and the ability to put it back in if you want to.

http://www.doomworld.com/vb/wads-mods/61818-doom-3-bfg-edition-iwad-patches/

I still find their hypocrisy hilarious when they were like ENHANCING OR CHANGING DOOM 1 AND 2 WOULD BE BLASPHEMY! Then they go ahead and censor the game. Id has sold out, plain and simple.

I see only downgrades of the Doom games, not upgrades.

Only if they tell you before you buy it. And even then, it's still slightly immoral.

Censorship is wrong, we can all agree on that. But complying with it in my own opinion is even worse. The Red Cross thing I wouldn't consider censorship and we can set that aside, that was a valid thing unlike this. What's done is done and covering it up is not going to make it go away, I attended a debate on racism recently and I pretty much got everyone to agree when I said "Racism wont go away until any kind of racist term is desensitized". With censorship its the same thing.

The old ID would have given the finger to Germany, but the old ID is gone. I personally think it would have been better to use the older German version that had no levels at all. That's quick and easy and doesn't look like crap.

Yea, I don't even mind the red cross change. It's just a pill icon vs a cross, but the wolfenstein level edits were actually game changing and unfair to countries outside of Germany.

I could see were you were coming from if this was wolfenstein, but you are guys are complaining over the wolfenstein spoof secret levels which is only 1% of the DOOM game.

It's still a very memorable secret level thats infamous.

Unfortunately, you are wrong. Racism will never go away until the very real biological differences in personality and intelligence between the races (that evolved seperately for tens or hundreds of thousands of years) disappear. For example... every scientific study has shown that Jews are 10 to 15 IQ points smarter than white people, which is why Jews are so much more successful than white people, and why literally half the great scientists in the world are Jewish (eg. Einstein). That's also why less intelligent white people often resent Jews: they don't want to accept that Jews earned their success through higher intelligence. Getting people to understand that is the best way to fight anti-semitism. Stopping people outside Germany from killing Nazis in Computer games (like their ancestors did in real life) doesn't seem like a good idea.