I'm... a high elf, yeah that's it a high elf...(covers face with a hood)

As an Argonian I sided with the empire with most of the reasons said already.

It seems a bit hypocritical for an Argonian to not support independence from the Empire for Skyrim as Black Marsh is already independent from the Empire.

Now comes the real question though of which side would be better suited for an Argonian.. should I stay as a Stormcloak supporter or should I switch sides and join the Imperial Legion? I have not done the end of the Legion but I've read about it.. how the Argonians aren't allowed in Windhelm for their own safety among other things. With all the reading I've done from the Empire vs. Stormcloak threads, I've had a lot of conflicting thoughts.. and with this thread I want to try to clear some of that up. The game (at least as far as I know) never goes into what the Argonians think of the War, and I'm not sure the Dumner say anything about it either.. closest thing I've ever heard is that Ulfrics steward says the Dumner are not sympethic to the Stormcloaks.

If I had to choose Nord rule or Imperial Rule(Lol as if the Nords could ever take over Blackmarsh) I'd choose Imperials. Plus the Nords would probably try to mess with our trees.

I wonder though.. which of them say this? I've never heard any of them mention this.. I do however intimidate Shatter-Shield to pay them more. I'm going to go Windhelm here soon as I'm currently on Season Unending but I'll be reloading an earler save soon.. I just want to hear a specific set of dialogue.

You play Argonian? I always thought you were an Altmer guy because of.. Ya know.. Your cool avatar.

It's unfortunate that the argonians get the blame. They weren't in control of their faculties at the time. They got all hopped up on hist sap by the hist and told to go attack the dunmer. At that point in time, the Dunmer had actually completely outlawed slavery. The retribution against the dunmer wasn't because of slavery though. The hist held a grudge against the dunmer for their incursions into black marsh where they cut down some of the hist.

From the moment you enter Windhelm, you can see how bad the state of the city is despite what some Nords say about it. (Group of Nords about to mug a defenseless Dunmer woman because she won't help the Stormcloaks)

What they really mean when they say its the gem of Skyrim is its the gem of Skyrim because its a Pro-Nord town a very racist perspective but what can you expect of Stormcloaks who make no attempt to hide it?

Group of Nords about to mug a defenseless Dunmer woman because she won't help the Stormcloaks

It wasn't a mugging it was more like.. Threatening to [censored], and torture a defenseless person.

But yeah.. Not exactly Windhelms finest hour. Made worse by the fact that its the first thing you see when you enter the city.

It's a matter of personal conviction for your character, but for an Argonian I'd say Empire.

Its not hypocritical. Sure we got independence(because we're awesome), but I don't see the point in supporting the guys who are making our race miserable.

If I had to choose Nord rule or Imperial Rule(Lol as if the Nords could ever take over Blackmarsh) I'd choose Imperials. Plus the Nords would probably try to mess with our trees.

Did you happen to follow the woman to her office on the docks and hear what she says about Argonians?

I believe it's Scouts-Many-Marshes. He is pretty happy if the empire wins. He says that it was Ulfric who made the decree that Argonians had to live outside the city.

OTOH, the only jarl who has an Argonian in her household is Sorri the Builder, the Stormcloak who takes over for Idgrod in Morthal.

Did you happen to follow the woman to her office on the docks and hear what she says about Argonians?

Plus, doesn't supporting the Empire mean you would support the Empire reclaiming Black Marsh to prepare to fight the Thalmor.

Really.. I didn't know that. I did read that Decree regarding the Dumner near the border recently but I never knew this.. but as I said earlier in the thread I am aware of how poorly the Argonians are paid. I'll talk to more Argonians in Windhelm then.

You can pretty easily get Torbjorn to cough up more money for his workers.

Yeah I know.. I do it every time. It appears I missed more than I thought in terms of how people are treated though

I'm assuming you're referring to the Dumner woman.. that's one reason why she's always been on a hit list of mine.

Unlike the empire, the nords really don't have any interest in ruling black marsh.

It seems a bit hypocritical for an Argonian to not support independence from the Empire for Skyrim as Black Marsh is already independent from the Empire.

Bunwulf, the nice guy, also keeps Argonians out of the city and intends to keep them there as Dunmer and Argonians living inside the city together would mean fighting as the two races hate each other. Even then, you can talk to the orc in a mill near Solitude and see that the people in Solitude are just as prejudiced as anywhere else. Plus talking with people while Gulum-Ei is still alive reveals that some people don't like Argonians there either.