The Traveler's Tavern III : Othor Games

» Sun May 13, 2012 10:23 am

Bread and cheese, in my experience.

I remember feeling a little lost the first time I experienced a Dutch breakfast. Nice, though. I think what stumped me was the bread, ham and cheese being accompanied by those sprinkly sugar things. I assume they had some other purpose, but it was unexpected.

/incredulouseyebrowraise

Australia, South Africa and America, maybe. Britain?

Well they are extremely popular in Britain: the smell of charring meat seems to be fairly omnipresent in summer months!

» Sun May 13, 2012 2:44 pm

Speaking of flag waving, do any other countries have flags they aren't allowed to freely wave, like the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Standard_of_Scotland#Legal_status up in Scotland?

» Sun May 13, 2012 10:25 pm

Speaking of flag waving, do any other countries have flags they aren't allowed to freely wave, like the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Standard_of_Scotland#Legal_status up in Scotland?

I think there's probably one in Germany that's not too popular.

» Sun May 13, 2012 8:14 am

I remember feeling a little lost the first time I experienced a Dutch breakfast. Nice, though. I think what stumped me was the bread, ham and cheese being accompanied by those sprinkly sugar things. I assume they had some other purpose, but it was unexpected.

Do you mean chocolate sprinkles? That is a common bread topping too.
Honestly though, I've always felt that eating habits and cuisine here are rather dull when compared to our neighbours', with some notable exceptions. Our pea soup for instance is awesome, and there's many awesome Indonesian influences too.

» Sun May 13, 2012 7:06 pm

We LOVE BBQ in Britain. Everyone does it in Summer.

Well they are extremely popular in Britain: the smell of charring meat seems to be fairly omnipresent in summer months!

I've seen a few while visiting, but I thought it was mostly the visiting/immigrant ozzies and South Africans. :biggrin:

My apologies. Is the barbecue as big of a production in England as it is in Australia, South Africa and America?

I remember feeling a little lost the first time I experienced a Dutch breakfast. Nice, though. I think what stumped me was the bread, ham and cheese being accompanied by those sprinkly sugar things. I assume they had some other purpose, but it was unexpected.

Hahah. It must be a Nordic thing... my neighbour's German and if I visit in the mornings or during midday, I'm always offered toast, cheese and ham.

Speaking of flag waving, do any other countries have flags they aren't allowed to freely wave, like the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Standard_of_Scotland#Legal_status up in Scotland?

Yes. I'll leave it at that. Well, no, let me amend this: we're allowed to wave it, but it's really frowned upon. It's tantamout to waving the Confederacy flag, in America.

» Sun May 13, 2012 12:15 pm

I've seen a few while visiting, but I thought it was mostly the visiting/immigrant ozzies and South Africans. :biggrin:

My apologies. Is the barbecue as big of a production in England as it is in Australia, South Africa and America?

Yeah the equipment is sold in nearly every form of supermarket, from Asda/Tesco to B&Q/Homebase, all you have to do is find the meat you want from anywhere and then... :drool:

» Sun May 13, 2012 7:39 am

I've seen a few while visiting, but I thought it was mostly the visiting/immigrant ozzies and South Africans. :biggrin:

My apologies. Is the barbecue as big of a production in England as it is in Australia, South Africa and America?

The instant the weather gets even slightly above freezing, everyone starts arranging barbacues.

Now I think of it, I don't think I've ever actually met an Australian in person.

» Sun May 13, 2012 9:33 pm

I always thought of the barbecue as more of an Australian thing, but now that I think about it, I'd no idea where it originated.

Barbeque is an American thing, and originated here. The word is Native American. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbeque.

Liver is yummy. And full of iron. I don't get why people don't like it - it's meaty and full of flavour.

I love chopped liver and onions

. And http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweetbread.

» Sun May 13, 2012 7:57 am

I'd love to go to the BBQ world championships!

» Sun May 13, 2012 7:45 pm

Barbeque is an American thing, and originated here. The word is Native American. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbeque.

I don't want to be the one to have to tell you this, but the practice of burning stuff over a fire is not American.

» Sun May 13, 2012 10:33 am

I don't want to be the one to have to tell you this, but the practice of burning stuff over a fire is not American. :tongue:

Tis true, cooking meat over a fire isn't an American invention, but the idea of having an outdoor "BBQ" and slow-cooking the meat with smoke and coals started here.

Also, if you're burning the meat you're a crappy BBQer. :tongue:

» Sun May 13, 2012 12:50 pm

Tis true, cooking meat over a fire isn't an American invention, but the idea of having an outdoor "BBQ" and slow-cooking the meat with smoke and coals started here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regional_variations_of_barbecue The practice developed in several places without the influence of the others, i.e. in parallel.

Also, if you're burning the meat you're a crappy BBQer. :tongue:

Depends on what you want out of your meat!

» Sun May 13, 2012 8:45 pm

Tis true, cooking meat over a fire isn't an American invention, but the idea of having an outdoor "BBQ" and slow-cooking the meat with smoke and coals started here.

Also, if you're burning the meat you're a crappy BBQer. :tongue:

Ermm, I'll break it to you, if you read it the word stems from people of the Caribbean, dating back before America was even America.

There is ample evidence that both the word and cooking technique migrated out of the Caribbean and into other languages and cultures, with the word (barbacoa) moving from Caribbean dialects into Spanish, then Portuguese, French, and English. The Oxford English Dictionary cites the first recorded use of the word in the English language in 1697 by the British buccaneer William Dampier. However, it appears 25 years earlier in the published writings of John Lederer in the proper form, barbecue, following his travels in the American southeast in 1672.

So that's nearly 100 years before America was even "born" if you like.

» Sun May 13, 2012 7:53 am

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regional_variations_of_barbecue The practice developed in several places without the influence of the others, i.e. in parallel.

Grilling meat doesn't always = BBQ. I've had Korean style BBQ many times. That's not really what's meant by "I'm going to a BBQ" - unless you live in Korea, I guess. I'd still call a kebab a Middle Eastern dish, even though there are similar dishes in East Asia. :shrug:

Ermm, I'll break it to you, if you read it the word stems from people of the Caribbean, dating back before America was even America.

So that's nearly 100 years before America was even "born" if you like.

It's still America even if GB happened to own a chunk of America at the time. Not like all those colonists went back home in 1776. Wouldn't you call strudel a German invention, even though it was invented before a united Germany?

The word itself is 'ours' - Caribbean and Floridian Indians. Sheesh, give us some credit, and enjoy your ribs :biggrin:

» Sun May 13, 2012 6:11 pm

It's still America even if GB happened to own a chunk of America at the time. Not like all those colonists went back home in 1776. Wouldn't you call strudel a German invention, even though it was invented before a united Germany?

The word itself is 'ours' - Caribbean and Floridian Indians. Sheesh, give us some credit, and enjoy your ribs :biggrin:

No, if the Uk had it at that time then it's the UK - up until the Independence when it became recognised as America.
< 1775 UK (or whatever it was called)
> 1776 America

» Sun May 13, 2012 11:03 am

It's still America even if GB happened to own a chunk of America at the time.

The point was that the word and practice originates in the Caribbean (for the West, anyway), which is distinctly not American.

America has created a lot of awesome stuff, but let's not attribute to it what is not its.

The word itself is 'ours' - Caribbean and Floridian Indians. Sheesh, give us some credit, and enjoy your ribs :biggrin:

Don't you try to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_Currents us, now!

Eh, I can see this is going nowhere. I bow out, good Sirs.

» Sun May 13, 2012 12:00 pm

DOUBLE. POST.

» Sun May 13, 2012 7:10 am

No, if the Uk had it at that time then it's the UK - up until the Independence when it became recognised as America.
< 1775 UK (or whatever it was called)
> 1776 America

Benjamin Franklin invented the lightning rod in 1749. Are you now going to claim that this was actually a UK invention since America wasn't yet independent?

(Yes, I will not stop until you give me personal credit for inventing BBQ, hehe)

Eh, I can see this is going nowhere. I bow out, good Sirs.

Heh, yeah. Sometimes I have trouble letting go of things. . . :angel:

» Sun May 13, 2012 5:10 pm

Benjamin Franklin invented the lightning rod in 1749. Are you now going to claim that this was actually a UK invention since America wasn't yet independent?
(Yes, I will not stop until you give me personal credit for inventing BBQ, hehe)

...Yes that too is a UK invention, is there anything else you wish to have taken from you

» Sun May 13, 2012 8:42 am

...Yes that too is a UK invention, is there anything else you wish to have taken from you :tongue:

Fried mayonnaise balls. We're still a bit embarrassed by that one. . .

» Sun May 13, 2012 6:28 pm

Fried mayonnaise balls. We're still a bit embarrassed by that one. . .

That sounds totally gross. Is it exactly what it sounds like? :yuck:

How do you... make... those... ? You just dump mayonnaise in oil?

» Sun May 13, 2012 10:39 am

Benjamin Franklin invented the lightning rod in 1749. Are you now going to claim that this was actually a UK invention since America wasn't yet independent?

I suppose it's in the same vein as such-and-such being an American invention because it was done by an American-owned company even though all of the inventing in question was done outside of the US. Not that I agree with either, just using it as a counterexample.

And I wonder if Edison actually invented anything... he mainly patented other people's ideas, from what I can tell. But I guess that was the point!

» Sun May 13, 2012 6:37 am

Fried mayonnaise balls. We're still a bit embarrassed by that one. . .

You can keep those, I hate mayo and frying it won't do it any favours in my book :yuck:

» Sun May 13, 2012 9:22 am

Yes. I'll leave it at that. Well, no, let me amend this: we're allowed to wave it, but it's really frowned upon. It's tantamout to waving the Confederacy flag, in America.

Ehh, in general it isn't the Confederate flag that's evil so much as it's past association. A lot of 'Southern Pride' people wave it 'proudly' and the people who wave/support the flag usually have rather crude political ideas, the most commonly held stereotype is the racism to blacks and hispanics (and foreigners in general really.) I'm one of the people who view it in a negative light, but only because the people I've met IRL who support it aren't the best of the genetic pool of humanity.

» Sun May 13, 2012 10:13 am

And I wonder if Edison actually invented anything... he mainly patented other people's ideas, from what I can tell. But I guess that was the point!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrsN8iTwFiw?

That sounds totally gross. Is it exactly what it sounds like? :yuck:

How do you... make... those... ? You just dump mayonnaise in oil?

http://friedmayo.com/index.htm. Haven't had them myself. They're a mid-west country fair food. Like corndogs.

You can keep those, I hate mayo and frying it won't do it any favours in my book :yuck:

Don't you Scots eat fried Mars bars?