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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 10:07 am

Grilling meat doesn't always = BBQ. I've had Korean style BBQ many times. That's not really what's meant by "I'm going to a BBQ" - unless you live in Korea, I guess. I'd still call a kebab a Middle Eastern dish, even though there are similar dishes in East Asia. :shrug:



It's still America even if GB happened to own a chunk of America at the time. Not like all those colonists went back home in 1776. Wouldn't you call strudel a German invention, even though it was invented before a united Germany?

The word itself is 'ours' - Caribbean and Floridian Indians. Sheesh, give us some credit, and enjoy your ribs :biggrin:
Didn't you kill all the Floridian Indians? :P
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 1:52 pm

Didn't you kill all the Floridian Indians? :tongue:
I don't know anything about the history of Floridian Indians but I fail to see what's so funny about this, whether it's true or not.

edit: I'm probably overreacting, sorry about that
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 10:22 am

Well, I've never met a Florida Indian... if that means anything. Actually, they do have an Indian run casino down there.

Ehh, in general it isn't the Confederate flag that's evil so much as it's past association. A lot of 'Southern Pride' people wave it 'proudly' and the people who wave/support the flag usually have rather crude political ideas, the most commonly held stereotype is the racism to blacks and hispanics (and foreigners in general really.) I'm one of the people who view it in a negative light, but only because the people I've met IRL who support it aren't the best of the genetic pool of humanity.
Not that I'm supporting racism here, but I just want to point out that the Confederate flag actually never stood for hate or racism until long after the civil war. It's ignorant people who wanted it to stand for that and now it's a long held belief. I could get into a history lesson and defend the South on grounds of state's rights and an uncaring federal government - but who wants to learn stuff on a forum? :wink: Truth be told, if it's done as "Southern Pride" meaning the way of life in the south, I see absolutely nothing wrong with it. If it's tacked up in an old beater with a redneck hanging out the back screaming hateful things - then there's a problem.

And I find it interesting how differently we view Americans. I am one, and I have less nice things to say about us then you guys do.
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 9:26 pm

Don't you Scots eat fried Mars bars?

I have never tried one, they sound disgusting. I've seen them on the Menu at loads of chippys though. Also deep-fried pizza :X
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 11:25 am

... but who wants to learn stuff on a forum? :wink:

I have to mention this little nugget -- Southerners were no more or less racist than were the Northerners. The only difference was that Northerners wanted to push the country toward industrialisation, while the Southerners were intent on maintaining a largely agricultural economy. The Northerners wanted cheap labour for their factories, and they also wanted to weaken the agriculture of the South. Freeing slaves was an easy way to accomplish both goals. There was nothing, or very little, altruism behind the civil war.

(Let's please not discuss this, though. I have no desire to experience the wrath of a mod, which is probably the only place a discussion of this will lead. I just thought it was worth sharing, as I get the impression that most Americans don't know this about their own country.)

And I find it interesting how differently we view Americans. I am one, and I have less nice things to say about us then you guys do.

There are largely one of two ways we treat "our own" -- either more critically or more leniently. You happen to be one of the former. :shrug: The truly independent observer who is also caught up in the dust of things, is rare. :smile: (Or I could just be totally wrong about Americans in general. The ones I've met are nice enough... Even the Texans -- and they probably have the worst reputation. I actually really like my Texan friend.)
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 11:19 am

Ehh, in general it isn't the Confederate flag that's evil so much as it's past association. A lot of 'Southern Pride' people wave it 'proudly' and the people who wave/support the flag usually have rather crude political ideas, the most commonly held stereotype is the racism to blacks and hispanics (and foreigners in general really.) I'm one of the people who view it in a negative light, but only because the people I've met IRL who support it aren't the best of the genetic pool of humanity.

I smell hypocrisy.
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 8:35 am

-Respect each other *and* your cultural differences.
-Be careful with religion and politics
-Keep it classy

Careful guys...
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 11:38 am

Well they are extremely popular in Britain: the smell of charring meat seems to be fairly omnipresent in summer months!

Are you talking about barbecue as an event or a dish? I'm talking about the dish, http://xroads.virginia.edu/~class/ma95/dove/history.htm
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 7:57 pm

Anyway... back to more lighthearted stuff. What's the most popular sport in your country?
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 6:46 pm

I smell hypocrisy.
Not really. I live in Mississippi, as Naxos pointed out, there's two kinds of people mostly, people who have Southern Pride in the sense they take pride in Southern Living, or there's the type who use it in a thinly veiled 'White Pride' attitude. I've seen cars with those stickers on them with very stereotypical bumper stickers, one in particular referring to blacks in a....less than polite word. Ultimately I don't make an assumption of the person who owns it, but in general, the moment I see a confederate flag, my nerves do a dance because half the time the owner of the flag isn't a very forward thinking person. My in-laws for example would raise hell if one of their own ever dated or married a black girl/guy.
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 8:56 pm

Football, like every country that isn't America. :P After that I'd say it's Rugby and Cricket. I can't stand cricket though...
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 3:41 pm

Football, like every country that isn't America. :tongue:
That's because we can't eat our fried chicken dipped in greases and fats AND run down a field kicking a ball. Sheesh, we'd suffer a heart attack from running that far. :frog:
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 9:04 pm

Are you talking about barbecue as an event or a dish? I'm talking about the dish, http://xroads.virginia.edu/~class/ma95/dove/history.htm

It usually refers to the method of cooking, or an event featuring the presence of such a contraption. It doesn't really involve pigs, only inasmuch as they've first been converted into sausages.
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 7:00 pm

You think of a Barbeque as a contraption?

That is interesting to me, as we call them grills here. It is a style of food, or an event, but never a machine. :twirl:
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 11:07 am

You think of a Barbeque as a contraption?

That is interesting to me, as we call them grills here. It is a style of food, or an event, but never a machine. :twirl:

A grill in the UK is a different thing; I understand it's what the USians call a "broiler", the thing with the heat-source above it (but where the food still sits on a grille) usually found above the oven in the kitchen or at eye-level above the hob. "Contraption" is probably an unnecessarily flowery description since most barbecues here are essentially just a bucket of hot coals with a metal grille or mesh sitting on top of it!
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 10:54 am

Anyway... back to more lighthearted stuff. What's the most popular sport in your country?
Hockey. Where I live should now be obvious.
Football, like every country that isn't America. :tongue:
Every country that isn't North American maybe.
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 10:35 pm

Not really. I live in Mississippi, as Naxos pointed out, there's two kinds of people mostly, people who have Southern Pride in the sense they take pride in Southern Living, or there's the type who use it in a thinly veiled 'White Pride' attitude. I've seen cars with those stickers on them with very stereotypical bumper stickers, one in particular referring to blacks in a....less than polite word. Ultimately I don't make an assumption of the person who owns it, but in general, the moment I see a confederate flag, my nerves do a dance because half the time the owner of the flag isn't a very forward thinking person. My in-laws for example would raise hell if one of their own ever dated or married a black girl/guy.

Very well then. Ive never been very far south, west virginia is about as close to southern living Ive ever done, and its a far cry from the real thing. Racist bumper stickers wouldnt fly there, I dont think.
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 7:21 pm

Hockey. Where I live should now be obvious.

Every country that isn't North American maybe.

It's still Mexico's favourite sport. I forgot about those cheeky canadians and their ice slide disc shoot.
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 3:40 pm

To Canadian Induits, do you still consider the tribes in Alaska part of yourselves, even though you two are split in half by a border? If so, then I think that I may be considered part Canadian Induit, due to my heritage.

Yep, I have 1/16th Eskimo blood, from the Holy Cross Tribe up in the Yukon. Something tells me that the missionaries might have gotten to them at some point...
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 1:07 pm

It's still Mexico's favourite sport. I forgot about those cheeky canadians and their ice slide disc shoot.
Our semi full contact ice slide disc shoot.
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 6:56 am

Thank you! That's good info. Nightlife would be good. I'd rather not just do what typical tourists would do. I've done quite a bit of traveling, so I'd like to see a bit of what the locals are into and one or two "touristy" things that are really unique to the area. I find that the places that are really geared toward tourism tend to be very similar in every place I visit, so I wouldn't mind avoiding those.
There are many pops down in Tsim Sha Tsui filled with foreigners, you can always ask them about this place. A lot of them have been living in here for many years. You can always send me a pm when you got here. Free wifi Internet access is easy to get in Hong Kong, McDonald has it, PCCW has free wifi hotspots at almost every shopping mall. You can find computers at airport and subway stations. Not to mention Pacific Cafe.

There are also a few big shopping malls down here. Time Square and Sogo at Causeway Bay. City One Plaza in Shatin, Golden shopping mall in Sham Shui Po, many more in Mongkok. Sham Shui Po is famous of cheap electronics and computer stuffs, just cross the road to Ap Liu Street and you can still find the good ole 70s hawkers for all things zappy.

Getting real locals could be somewhat difficult for tourists unless you know people around. We have a massive public transport network enough to make your head dizzy. I can always bring you to Shatin if I'm off duty, look around the shingman river/drainage (lol?). A hike down the bike trail could be great experience if you're into this. The local and ghetto areas are mostly at New Territories, all the stuff in Tuen Mun, Yuen Long, Tian Shui Wai.

No. I can be adventurous, but I don't do eyes, brains, or digestive tracts.

Or genitals.

aw, just close your eyes you'll love it. I really have to bring you to this great innards shops. Too many foreigners thought it's disgusting but gone addictive to these stuff when they took the first taste.
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 6:30 pm

Football, like every country that isn't America. :tongue: After that I'd say it's Rugby and Cricket. I can't stand cricket though...
You mean soccer? :wink: Because football is the #1 sport in the US.

A grill in the UK is a different thing; I understand it's what the USians call a "broiler", the thing with the heat-source above it (but where the food still sits on a grille) usually found above the oven in the kitchen or at eye-level above the hob. "Contraption" is probably an unnecessarily flowery description since most barbecues here are essentially just a bucket of hot coals with a metal grille or mesh sitting on top of it!
Now I'm going to have to google that. Our broilers and ovens are one and the same here. We have heating elements on the top for broiling, and one on the bottom for baking. And sorry if this is silly but what's a hob?

BBQ is more of a dish for sure in the US, but a VERY different dish depending on where you are. Like, Texas makes BBQ unlike anyone else.

Oof... :goodjob: ( I don't want to take this thread into no no territory either, but I have never met someone else who knew that! Just wanted to say kudos! )
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 8:13 pm

A grill in the UK is a different thing; I understand it's what the USians call a "broiler", the thing with the heat-source above it (but where the food still sits on a grille) usually found above the oven in the kitchen or at eye-level above the hob.
I don't think I've ever seen a grill at eye level, only ever as an extra function of the oven.


And sorry if this is silly but what's a hob?

Erm, fire comes out of it to heat a pan. (Unless you have a fancy heating element one)
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 12:57 pm

BBQ is more of a dish for sure in the US, but a VERY different dish depending on where you are. Like, Texas makes BBQ unlike anyone else.

I've been around the country a good deal, but basically wherever you don't get a good cell phone signal is where good BBQ is at. In fact, one of my favorite places is located underneath a highway.
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 7:32 am

I've been around the country a good deal, but basically wherever you don't get a good cell phone signal is where good BBQ is at.

I vouch for the accurancy of the above.

:rofl:
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