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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 10:53 pm

Didn't see that quote earlier.. I wouldn't want them to implement co-op either if it takes away from the single player epicness. I find it hard to believe that a huge company like Bethesda could not have a team working on co-op though. Are they saying that every one of their employees is working on some aspect of Skyrim's single player?

I would hope so! :yes:
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Post » Wed May 09, 2012 3:45 am

for anyone who just has to have co-op in their game go play dead island then come back here and tell me you want that to happen to tes..
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 7:12 pm

Yes, let's burn all who have opposing opinions to our own :flamethrower:

The fact that most reviews deduct points for lack of multiplayer is ridiculous. Not to mention the fact that most game journalists need to take a writing class or two, especially website-based ones. TES has never been a multiplayer game, it's never had any kind of multiplayer, and people should pretty much expect that it isn't going to be there.

I find it odd how difficult it is for people to just relax and enjoy a singleplayer gaming experience anymore.
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 6:55 pm

for anyone who just has to have co-op in their game go play dead island then come back here and tell me you want that to happen to tes..
lol comparing dead island to TES.. Just give it time, one day tes will have coop in their games and I have faith that it will be epic, unlike so many of apparently.
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 5:48 pm

To those asking how co-op could negatively impact the game... It's all about resources. If they had to dedicate resources to developing the co-op aspect of the game, then the rest of the game would have gotten less attention, and would have had an even higher probability of being extra buggy at launch. Personally I'm ok without co-op. It'd be kinda cool to roam the vast world with another, but how exactly would they implement that? Would you be leashed to each other? Otherwise chances are you'd wind up in different locations doing different things. Also, how would you handle one player advancing the main questline while another is in a spelunking in a dungeon looking for a fabled crate of fishy sticks? What happens if they kill a dragon together? Do they each absorb half the soul? If so, instead of dragon shouts do they just get a kind of "dragon-raising-your-voice-slightly"? There are a lot of things that would have to be changed to make co-op feasible, and frankly yes, that would have an impact on the single player aspect of the game.

I seem to recall someone trying to code a program to allow a basic co-op in Oblivion, though I don't think it ever got finished. Wonder if someone will try to do the same here. It'll still be fraught with problems, but could be interesting as a novelty.
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 5:16 pm

There is more rhetoric on these forums than I've seen in the political realm. Whenever co-op comes up, all I hear from the opposition are words like "ruin", "butcher", "if you want co-op go play GAME X", etc. Reminds me so much of the BS when people are debating politics. Instead of seeing where a country could improve, they just say "if you don't like it, move somewhere else".

TES is an open world game that is been long over due for a good co-op system added. Notice how I said "good co-op". I'm sick of the opposition just assuming the co-op will be half-assed and completely ruin the singleplayer. A co-op system similar to Borderlands or Saint's Row 2 would be incredible within the ES universe. I don't want ES to include co-op for the fact that I want every game to include co-op (although I definitely believe a good co-op can improve a game ten fold), I want ES to include co-op, because exploring an open world to the degree of ES would be amazing with a good friend.

Like someone else posted, all praise goes to BGS as being one of the best video game developers. Yet when someone brings up co-op, all that confidence goes out the window and they are portrayed as a incompetent group that would completely gut the game if any co-op gameplay was added.
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 10:45 pm

I agree, TES is about a solo epic experience, it's kind of its own sub genre in a way.

It should not be "docked" in score because it lacks a co-op mode.
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Post » Wed May 09, 2012 3:57 am

I understand that their is a limit to resources, and that's why you can't have everything you want in a game. At some point, people have to cut certain things, and for bethesda, they choose multiplayer. Personally, I would love to play Co-op in a TES game with friends, having all of that wonderful exploration available to do with friends.

So assuming Bethesda could hire on some new guys to help give them the muscle they need to keep up the content, and have a Co-op feature, that would simply entail allowing a second random person to join in the world and interact with it as the main player does and allow for you to have a grand adventure with a friend, why would that be bad? I'm not asking if bethesda can get that extra muscle, or if it would be best used on Co-op, but a lot of people posting in here seem to think that the ability to do the same things you've always done with a friend at your side is absolutely horrendous, and I've seen a lot of unsupported and/or erroneous claims a/b Co-op features in this thread so now I'm curious.

So can anyone in here explain with details and possibly even facts, why a TES game would be bad with co-op IF they could hire on some extra coding "muscle" what tangible thing would actually be bad about that?

And for the record, I'm not complaining, don't pull that one on me, I absolutely love TES as is, and am fine if it doesn't adapt to co-op, but there are NO large open world rpg's with co-op, unless one of you guys knows of one, and in that case, I believe it should become a new purchasing priority for myself (not talking a/b MMO's just co-op)

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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 10:50 pm

You can wish for a mutliplayer RPG without being critical of Skyrim for not doing it. Lighten the hell up.

I never understand how rigid people are about how genres are "supposed" to be. Someday someone is going to create a world that is just as compelling, deep, and customizable as an Elder Scrolls RPG, that allows you to play with a friend. If you don't see how good that could be and only have a stigma in your head due to some other game in the past, you seriously lack vision.

At least Bioware is trying something new with SWTOR's multiplayer story tree game. It's possible to experience a rich storyline with someone else. A multiplayer RPG story would not be the same experience of a HALO match.
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 5:28 pm

It'd be kinda cool to roam the vast world with another, but how exactly would they implement that?

Would you be leashed to each other? Otherwise chances are you'd wind up in different locations doing different things. Also, how would you handle one player advancing the main questline while another is in a spelunking in a dungeon looking for a fabled crate of fishy sticks?

What happens if they kill a dragon together? Do they each absorb half the soul? If so, instead of dragon shouts do they just get a kind of "dragon-raising-your-voice-slightly"?

1) Like co-op in Borderlands or Saint's Row 2, it could be a drop in/drop out (private games included) style. Where you enter their game and your loot and XP are persistent between games, but what happens in their world doesn't affect your own.

2) Like the above mentioned games, you would have free roam of the map. I guess it may be like Borderlands though how when you enter another "area" (house, dungeon, town, etc) both players could be teleported into that area. And again similar to these games, when a quest is started, you'd get a "confirm or deny" message to the other player. If they confirm, you'd be teleported to where the quest taker is and you'd begin the quest. If denied, you'd both stay where you are and you can communicate when to start the quest, possibly the other person isn't ready. Co-op games are meant to be played co-operatively (obviously) so why would the two players be completely separated?

3) In my mind this would work similar to the companion system. When you join someone else's game you'd relinquish your dragonborn skills (dragon shouts namely). You'd keep all your other skills, loot, XP, etc, but the main player who's playing in their world would take the role of the Dragonborn and the other would be as a companion.
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Post » Wed May 09, 2012 3:41 am

i guarantee you if co-op were implemented in tes the majority of players that have crying for it would be then crying how bad it is if it isnt perfect, which it wouldnt be..you just cant satisfy ppl..but you just cant make ppl understand the resources that would be required to make the game co-op and still work well..
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Post » Wed May 09, 2012 12:35 am

Meh, I don't care. That website doesn't even count towards Metacritics overall, so that means I don't count it as a review.
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 6:04 pm

Why would TES have a co-op mode? What would you do, throw random objects at each other?? :|
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Post » Wed May 09, 2012 12:44 am

Yes, let's burn all who have opposing opinions to our own :flamethrower:
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Post » Wed May 09, 2012 12:13 am

"On a negative, they mention that there is no co-op mode, and that this game should have it." http://feedyourconsole.com/2011/11/review-elder-scrolls-skyrim/

Idiots.
Honestly I agree. A co-op like Halo has (Maybe tweaked a bit to make it work) would be awesome.
I don't care what anyone says about it, Co-op would have been the best new addition to this game. Would've been easy as heck to implement (You could probably do it in a day or two for goodness sakes) And it wouldn't effect anyones experience cuz it would be optional.
Why you such haters of that idea?

Idiots.
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 6:10 pm

i guarantee you if co-op were implemented in tes the majority of players that have crying for it would be then crying how bad it is if it isnt perfect, which it wouldnt be..you just cant satisfy ppl..but you just cant make ppl understand the resources that would be required to make the game co-op and still work well..

So... now your arguing on your assumptions about how people would act in the future under a certain set of circumstances? Hmm... what's wrong here.
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 2:43 pm

So...for those saying he has a legitimate opinion and should deduct points for Skyrim not including a play option, then is it also feasible to take away points because Skyrim does not have guns? Space ships? Aliens?

These are all great features in OTHER games I play. Skyrim is obviously inferior for not allowing me to play the way I want.
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Post » Wed May 09, 2012 3:08 am

So...for those saying he has a legitimate opinion and should deduct points for Skyrim not including a play option, then is it also feasible to take away points because Skyrim does not have guns? Space ships? Aliens?

These are all great features in OTHER games I play. Skyrim is obviously inferior for not allowing me to play the way I want.

Yes, I agree it's unfair to criticize a game for not being what it isn't, but it's not a fair comparison between a universal addition of a gameplay type (CO-OP) then things like guns and aliens, but yeah, people are stupid w/ reviews, no arguments there.
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 1:23 pm

So... now your arguing on your assumptions about how people would act in the future under a certain set of circumstances? Hmm... what's wrong here.
no im going by experience..look at the fable series and more recently look at the "co-op" in dungeon siege 3..im just saying if you dont have full fledged co-op like in borderlands ppl the majority of ppl arent going to be happy..the truth is you cant satisfy everyone so why not just leave it alone? and dont get snippy..ive tried very hard not to get personal with some of the ppl in this thread..
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 5:54 pm

no im going by experience..look at the fable series and more recently look at the "co-op" in dungeon siege 3..im just saying if you dont have full fledged co-op like in borderlands ppl the majority of ppl arent going to be happy..the truth is you cant satisfy everyone so why not just leave it alone? and dont get snippy..ive tried very hard not to get personal with some of the ppl in this thread..

Of course you'll never make everyone happy, it's why there's more than one game in the world :P

That being said, If I had a dollar for every time someone's arbitrarily said that co-op TES would be total crap w/o giving it a reason, in this thread alone, i'd be able to buy a second copy of skyrim, so seriously, what would be bad about co-op in this game? Playing with a friend would be fantastic, imo, and while I respect others opinions who don't want co-op, a simple reason would be nice. and yes, I'm aware of resource issues, but I mean, in theory, what's so terrible about co-op?

Oh and yeah, fable co-op was terrifyingly bad, but that doesn't mean it would have to be in TES
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 4:25 pm

HERESY! BURN THE HERETIC :flamethrower:

TES has always been single player. your own world your own character your own experience. i'm sorry but MMOs have nearly ruined the RPG genre and the EVERYTHING MULTIPLAYER needs to stop. seriously. it would be like release halo without multiplayer functionality.

I would actually enjoy co-op mode, as long as it stays optional. I mean sometimes it can be fun playing games with friends, especially large games like this. If they made it a requirement to play with other players I would be annoyed though, because usually I don't have another person to play with and often times I just want to play alone anyway.
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 9:04 pm

Sorry but what is wrong with having a co-op mode?

nothing wrong with it, but taking away a point because a the fifth game in a series that didnt have co-op still doesnt have co-op is ridiculous.
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 12:13 pm

HERESY! BURN THE HERETIC :flamethrower:

TES has always been single player. your own world your own character your own experience. i'm sorry but MMOs have nearly ruined the RPG genre and the EVERYTHING MULTIPLAYER needs to stop. seriously. it would be like release halo without multiplayer functionality.

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Post » Wed May 09, 2012 2:22 am

Co-op in a TES game. Why? "Because I want to share the world with my friend".

Okay. So how would that work exactly? In all TES games, the player is special and unique, blessed by the gods in some way. How do you do that for two people?

Radiant AI judges your actions and offers you quests, factions and companions accordingly. How does that work with two independent players? If your friend accidentally steals from merchant A and can't get quests from him anymore, does that mean your character also does not get those quests?

You both want to join the mages' guild. You both work on quests and move up in rank. Who gets to be guild leader?

You both start out with the same playstyle path but after hours of gameplay you (or your friend) decide it would be more exciting to take a different path (let's say, join the Dark Brotherhood). How would this work?

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I honestly don't see how, in a game wherein all choices made by the player affect the world, in a game wherein the player is special and unique, a co-op option would really work. Unless you all think your friend is going to let you have the limelight, agree to all your decisions, play the way you want them to play...

It just sounds like everyone wants a companion.
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 9:20 pm

Co-op would take away development time that could be used to improve single player. Besides do people really wan't some lame half-assed version of co-op that people will get tired of after a while?

I mean; every [censored]ing game nowadays has co-op, or multiplayer. Leave the single player games alone, you wanna play a co-op fantasy game go play WoW.
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