They aren't Volkihar vampires!

Post » Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:43 am

The book told about more than just the Volkihar, why do people ignore simple facts right in front of them? You are just too much of a Beth F@nboy to admit they F*cked up. It didnt reveal anything about the Order, It said they were well hidden and it was PROVEN by the fact that Movarth could not find any
Pretty much this. Movarth was real so why not the Volkihar vampires?
Prove it, A Cyrodiilic Vamp would not write down accurate information of his secretive order for the living to find. Provide one shred of evidence the author isn't a lying Volkihar. Or maybe its all a pack of lies by Movarth Piquine just to make himself famous.

I don't trust the word of a vampire especially when in the form of advice about vampires
While in Cyrodiil, Movarth was turned into a vampire after a priest bit him since he went without feeding for 72 hours(which makes him a Cyrodiil vampire).
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Post » Tue Nov 20, 2012 10:56 am

GUYS GUYS GUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUYS

The book isn't official canon, its fictional also the whole "appearing in glaciers" was a nord legend which isn't surprising because nords always expand on the truth or just like to believe in fantasy like how they think blizzards and missing children are the fault of falmer spirits, that skyrim was their true ancestral home even before they did their genocide on the snow elves, all elves are evil and trying to kill off the human races and various other lies and fantasies. Nord legends shouldn't really be taken with even a grain of salt.
The books wasnt about Nord Legend. It was written by a Cyrodiilic Vamp telling of what he knew about other Vamps which was expanded on by a Vampire Hunter
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Post » Tue Nov 20, 2012 7:06 am

You're referencing a book written hundreds of years beforehand by someone who himself is a vampire.
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Post » Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:11 pm

You're referencing a book written hundreds of years beforehand by someone who himself is a vampire.
Exactly...a Vampire would know more about other vampire then anyone else
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Post » Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:29 pm

Prove it, A Cyrodiilic Vamp would not write down accurate information of his secretive order for the living to find. Provide one shred of evidence the author isn't a lying Volkihar. Or maybe its all a pack of lies by Movarth Piquine just to make himself famous.

I don't trust the word of a vampire especially when in the form of advice about vampires
The book is written from the perspective of a Cyrodylic vampire and it is written as a journal. Of course, it can be doubted how true it really is or if it is fiction, but the appearance of Movarth Piquine(spelling?) heavily implies that it is the actual journal of said vampire who infected Movarth.
I think people would be much less dissapointed in the Vampires in Castle Volkihar if they somehow commented on the book and claimed it was filled with half truths and lies.
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Post » Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:51 pm

The books wasnt about Nord Legend. It was written by a Cyrodiilic Vamp telling of what he knew about other Vamps which was expanded on by a Vampire Hunter

The Volkihar thing where they can appear in and out of glaciers was originally a nord legend.
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Post » Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:39 pm

The book told about more than just the Volkihar, why do people ignore simple facts right in front of them?
And? how does that make the book truthful? If your going to sell a lie make it partially true. A Volkihar writing down accurate info on other clans while lying about his own makes sense.

You are just too much of a Beth really devoted fan to admit they F*cked up.
The series is filled with contradictory books, they design the in-game books to be like real books not always accurate. Plenty of the history books conflict. http://www.imperial-library.info/content/immortal-bloodeveryone loves so much classifes Immortal Blood as http://www.imperial-library.info/categories/fiction . Which means "Books that are made up by their authors, and may not have happened."

It didnt reveal anything about the Order, It said they were well hidden and it was PROVEN by the fact that Movarth could not find any
It gives away thier feeding habbits, the fact the can hide among humans which not all clans have.(such as the three in morrowind). It even gives away how long without blood untill their nature is revealed. And your assuming Movarth as described in the book really existed.
Maybe Movarth wanted to be famous so he published a book about himself.
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Post » Tue Nov 20, 2012 12:35 pm

The Volkihar thing where they can appear in and out of glaciers was a nord legend.
That isnt the point of why we hate the Volk in Skyrim. It is understandable that there is no animation for jumping out of walls. It is that the Volk in skyrim are Cyrodiilic because they are copy and pasted from OB because Beth was too lazy to come up with a new system for Vamps. But SOME people are too far up Beth's ass to admit that
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Post » Tue Nov 20, 2012 9:19 am

Exactly...a Vampire would know more about other vampire then anyone else

Again, the book is hundreds of years old. Things change. The Volkihar could have evolved from their ice hopping ways into the Magnificent Bastards we know today.
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Post » Tue Nov 20, 2012 11:18 am

That isnt the point of why we hate the Volk in Skyrim. It is understandable that there is no animation for jumping out of walls. It is that the Volk in skyrim are Cyrodiilic because they are copy and pasted from OB because Beth was too lazy to come up with a new system for Vamps. But SOME people are too far up Beth's ass to admit that

Actually the whole blending into societies is normal for vampire stuff, the reason it wasn't in Morrowind was because it was near impossible due to the engine and they didn't know how to code, iirc vampires in daggerfall could blend into human societies as well. Hell the whole "vampires can't stay outside or blend in with people" thing has only been around since 1922 in the german movie "Nosferatu" its really NOT a copy and paste.
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Post » Mon Nov 19, 2012 11:02 pm

That isnt the point of why we hate the Volk in Skyrim. It is understandable that there is no animation for jumping out of walls. It is that the Volk in skyrim are Cyrodiilic because they are copy and pasted from OB because Beth was too lazy to come up with a new system for Vamps. But SOME people are too far up Beth's ass to admit that
The feed on sleeping people, that's one similarity. You're :violin: over one thing. (they removed the stage 4 attack).
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Post » Tue Nov 20, 2012 10:24 am

And? how does that make the book truthful? If your going to sell a lie make it partially true. A Volkihar writing down accurate info on other clans while lying about his own makes sense.

The series is filled with contradictory books, they design the in-game books to be like real books not always accurate. Plenty of the history books conflict. http://www.imperial-library.info/content/immortal-bloodeveryone loves so much classifes Immortal Blood as http://www.imperial-library.info/categories/fiction . Which means "Books that are made up by their authors, and may not have happened."


It gives away thier feeding habbits, the fact the can hide among humans which not all clans have.(such as the three in morrowind). It even gives away how long without blood untill their nature is revealed. And your assuming Movarth as described in the book really existed.
Movarth is in Skyrim dum , why would a Volk write that book? Why would he mention Movarth (whom exists) and then "Turn" him in Cyrodiil? Why would a Volk be in cyrodiil in the 1st place? Why are you so blatantly thick in the head? Why is it so hard to believe that beth screwed up? I mean they do it all the time
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Post » Mon Nov 19, 2012 10:44 pm

Again, the book is hundreds of years old. Things change. The Volkihar could have evolved from their ice hopping ways into the Magnificent Bastards we know today.
Undead dont evolve, look at the draugr
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Post » Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:30 am

The feed on sleeping people, that's one similarity. You're :violin: over one thing. (they removed the stage 4 attack).
Lore comes before gameplay, Volk HUNT for prey, they dont feed on sleeping victims
Actually the whole blending into societies is normal for vampire stuff, the reason it wasn't in Morrowind was because it was near impossible due to the engine and they didn't know how to code, iirc vampires in daggerfall could blend into human societies as well. Hell the whole "vampires can't stay outside or blend in with people" thing has only been around since 1922 in the german movie "Nosferatu" its really NOT a copy and paste.
TES vamps are NOT the same as OUR vamps. Lore comes before gameplay. The Order wouldnt be unique if EVERY vamp could blend. EVERYONE....use your common sense
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Post » Mon Nov 19, 2012 9:34 pm

Again, the book is hundreds of years old. Things change. The Volkihar could have evolved from their ice hopping ways into the Magnificent Bastards we know today.
Actually, Harkon was a king before he became a vampire and made a deal with Molag Bal to grant him eternal life(and supposedly sacrificed thousands of people to do it, in addition to letting him [censored] his wife and daughter), and he have lived for a long time. Serana's dialog about the College of Winterhold, the Arch-Mages dialog about the age of the College and Serana's lack of knowledge of a Cyrodylic Empire suggest they are from the 2nd era which means they are possibly around 15-1700 years old(2nd era was about 8 or 9 hundred years long IIRC, while the 3rd was 434 years long and the 4th have lasted 201). They were most likely around the time this book was written.

Only a few logical conclutions comes from this IMO:

1: They are not Volkihar
2: The Immortal Blood book is fiction
3: They are of the Volkihar strain, but they never became a part of the Volkihar society, staying nobles rather than being savages.
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Post » Tue Nov 20, 2012 9:52 am

Just like people from France aren't necessarily French. Oh, wait...

There is a difference in people originating from somewhere and living there. Not everybody in France is French. Your attempt at looking smart has only made you look foolish, what a shame.
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Post » Mon Nov 19, 2012 10:43 pm

There is a difference in people coming from somewhere and living there. Not everybody in France is French. Your attempt at looking smart has only made you look foolish, what a shame.
Yup, i can be swedish and live in germany...doesnt make me german
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Post » Tue Nov 20, 2012 5:45 am

Lore comes before gameplay, Volk HUNT for prey, they dont feed on sleeping victims TES vamps are NOT the same as OUR vamps. Lore comes before gameplay. The Order wouldnt be unique if EVERY vamp could blend. EVERYONE....use your common sense

They are pretty much influenced by our vamps >.> and no, lore really doesn't if it did then a lot of things in skyrim would be different i.e. Karthwasten being the capital of the reach, solitude having a bigger port and being a bigger city and dawnstar actually having walls. Lore really doesn't come first nor has it ever.
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Post » Tue Nov 20, 2012 5:02 am

The feed on sleeping people, that's one similarity. You're :violin: over one thing. (they removed the stage 4 attack).
As Malice said, they hunt for prey. If they could blend too then what would make the the two strands different besides the Volkihars' "vampire Lord" form?
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Post » Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:07 pm

They are pretty much influenced by our vamps >.> and no, lore really doesn't if it did then a lot of things in skyrim would be different i.e. Karthwasten being the capital of the reach, solitude having a bigger port and being a bigger city and dawnstar actually having walls. Lore really doesn't come first nor has it ever.
Yeah it does, the lore is designed and then the game has to be molded around that lore. Sometimes compromises have to be made to make gameplay work BUT the Vamps are a result of laziness. TES vamps are unique and are not based on our vamp mythology. The DG dlc's vamps ARE but that was because Pop Culture DEMANDED they be presentable to new players
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Post » Tue Nov 20, 2012 11:21 am

Movarth is in Skyrim dum
I can name my self Movarth that doesn't make me him besides he has skyrim abilites. Cyrodiil Vamps didn't have an absorb health power. *his race is also random and he respawns giving credit to him being a vampire who stole the name.

, why would a Volk write that book? Why would he mention Movarth (whom exists) and then "Turn" him in Cyrodiil? Why would a Volk be in cyrodiil in the 1st place? Why are you so blatantly thick in the head? Why is it so hard to believe that beth screwed up? I mean they do it all the time.
You do know what a lie is right? A Volk writes a book of lies about his own breed while containing the truth about other clans to give his an advantage.

As Malice said, they hunt for prey. If they could blend too then what would make the the two strands different besides the Volkihars' "vampire Lord" form?
An almost completely different list of powers

Cyrodiil have no frost resistance, bonus to illusion or absorb health power.
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Post » Mon Nov 19, 2012 11:40 pm

I can name my self Movarth that doesn't make me him besides he has skyrim abilites. Cyrodiil Vamps didn't have an absorb health power. *his race is also random and he respawns giving credit to him being a vampire who stole the name.


You do know what a lie is right? A Volk writes a book of lies about his own breed while containing the truth about other clans to give his an advantage.
Movarth Piquine is IN skyrim, he is random because it never states his race in Immortal Blood. If a Volk wrote the book then he wouldnt describe ANY Vamp race besides the Volk, you might as well say that the book was written by a Dremora BUT guess what? there is NO evidence of that at all. We have the book IN the game that serves as the GUIDE to different Vamp strains. How can you seriously be this oblivious?
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Post » Tue Nov 20, 2012 10:28 am

They are pretty much influenced by our vamps >.> and no, lore really doesn't if it did then a lot of things in skyrim would be different i.e. Karthwasten being the capital of the reach, solitude having a bigger port and being a bigger city and dawnstar actually having walls. Lore really doesn't come first nor has it ever.
Lore comes first, maybe not everyone reads it but the ones who do expect them to stay true to it. Why you hear complaints about them is due to the broken lore.
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Post » Tue Nov 20, 2012 8:27 am

Lore comes first, maybe not everyone reads it but the ones who do expect them to stay true to it. Why you hear complaints about them is due to the broken lore.
Which would have been easy to fix by having the vampires of Harkon's court dismiss it as a fictional tale made by someone who had no idea what he was talking about.
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Post » Tue Nov 20, 2012 5:28 am

Which would have been easy to fix by having the vampires of Harkon's court dismiss it as a fictional tale made by someone who had no idea what he was talking about.
But they didnt! Which means that until it IS stated by Beth themselves the Book is Correct and harkon is a LIE
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