I could understand but if they could of came to a compromise between the lore/gameplay there wouldn't have been complaining. The game has plenty of glitches anyways so i'm sure it wouldn't make much of a difference.

OH MY GOD EVERYONE DROP WHAT YOU'RE ARE DOING

BETHESDA. BROKE. LORE.

TELL THE NEWSPAPERS QUICK! SOMETHING NEW HAPPENED!

The book wasn't written by Movarth so how do we know ANY part of their conversations were true, what he actually said to Movarth and what he wrote down can be two different things. The only parts of the book we can say are true is what is confirmed by gameplay.

He's acting like the book was played out infront of us and not not simply text.

Why does Immortal Blood have to be true, why does your hate filled world end if the book is a lie. Lots of books in skyrim are lies propaganda or misinformation, The Talos Mistake makes the claim Tiber Septim really isn't divine should we believe it simply because its in the book. The in-game books are like real life books, you can't believe everything you read.

Ok then Tiber Septim is not dragonborn, Lorkhan didnt exist, the Dwemer are just hiding deeper underground, and Lycans are ACTUALLY a sickness carried by Horkers...same amount of possibility as Movarth being a different person than the one in the book

But there was a dwemer hiding underground, his name was Yagrum.

If you haven't noticed all the books in the games are written from a subjective standpoint, which means they can be false. You, the player, is a witness to the Volkihar in Skyrim which means you are a 1st hand witness. The author of the book might be a 1st hand witness, but the book itself is a 2nd hand witness which makes is less believable and more prone to mistakes and bias.

The only thing that says the Volkihar is like that is that book and even the legitimazy of that book can be question since it stands alone in describing some of the clans.

The so called obsession is a little something called "source critique" which is, basicly, that you do not assume something is true before there are enough evidence for it. I would hardly call a book with an unknown author written i journal style conclusive evidense, hence I am open for the possibility that the book is not correct.

Religion is ALWAYS up to debate and that is what the Tiber septim thing is about. The POINT is that some books are MEANT to be propaganda. Those are obvious boks but Immortal Blood is a book that gives us insight into the different strains across tamriel

Drake may have just gotten owned...

Beth made the Volk WRONG, every strain is DIFFERENT, so the Volk should be called Cyrodiilic Vamps because THEY ARE THE SAME

Nope, using idiotic humor to deflect not being able to prove me wrong is HIS loss

Movarth has skyrim vampire abilities not Cyrodill abilities so if it is the same guy its just more proof Immortal Blood is a lie.

Exactly this. All books and journals are lies in Skyrim apparently.

Idiotic humor?

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Yagrum_Bagarn

Movarth has the same powers as The ORDER, play OB you imbeciles

Which is why I used the word 'from'. Now who looks foolish.

Anyway, the writer of Immortal Blood is plainly not correct about everything, its even mentioned in the book he made a mistake about the Keerilth. It never states that he himself is a Volkihar, so it makes sense that he would be mistaken about the location of their home, the Volkihar are unlikely to advertise that. Plus, the book appears to base the comment about Volkihar powers based on a single encounter. How do we know the ability wasn't simply a spell or dragon shout rather than an innate vampire ability?

The previous inhabitants of the castle were unlikely to be vampires at all, since it contains the remains of a shrine to Mara.

As for being the same as Cyrodiilic vamps, I don't recall the VL perks being in Oblivion... Morvarth himself seems to be pretty vanilla, so he could be a Cyrodiilic vamp.

idiotic humor as in the fact that Yagrum is 1 remaining dwemer as opposed to the trillion that vanished

Geez someone is really butthurt this morning, notice the book also says that they should only be in eastern skyrim too something that you haven't addressed nor have you addressed the fact that besides this book theres no other evidence of the vampires having this quality also by your logic cyrodiilic vamps should be called high rock vamps.

Nope he has the Cyrodiilic strand.

They are in eastern skyrim and all the rest of skyrim, how is this in ANY way detrimental to my statement? You are dodging because you know you are wrong

Honestly I think it is you who have become obsessed at this point; you refuse to accept that your viewpoint may be wrong.

Before Skyrim came out it was reassonable to believe that Immortal Blood was correct, we had no reason to not think so, but the lore evolves as the series goes on. Have you considered that the developers might have though something along these lines: "We have descriptions of the Volkihar in this ingame book, how should we go about implementing it?" "Well, why don't we change them so they do not fit so the fans will debate the issue? It is not like a single book that we never confirmed in the game makes it hard fact."

Before skyrim came out we played OB and MW which both had unique strains, the Skyrim comes out and the Volk (A unique strain) are replicas of the Order...Beth f*cked up

Closed for review.

Edit: This is staying closed, there are too many posts that are vulgar, avoiding the forum censor and flaming to make it practical to clean it all up.