This game is an insult to common intelligence.

Post » Wed May 09, 2012 8:08 pm

Three stats? No classes? No major and minor skills? No birth signs? No weapon deterioration? No crossbows, spears, throwing weapons? No spell making? No potion naming? Where did the medium armour skill go? Where did the unarmed skill go? Where did the unarmoured skill go? What about acrobatics? What about athletics? What about mysticism? Why do I feel tired and uncompelled to search through any of these crates, barrels and bags? Maybe it's the 10 gold and potatoes that I know I'm going to find.
Thanks.
See... Your post was valid, right up until this paragraph.

Oh and bro - before you go and insult other people's intelligence, try looking at your own :)
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Post » Wed May 09, 2012 7:09 pm

This. This is what you're pandering to, Bethesda. People so inept - so intellectually bereft - that they only possess enough brain power to sputter out the latest meme or catchphrase.

Some people are not even worth the latest meme or catchphrase, consider yourself lucky.
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Post » Wed May 09, 2012 7:33 pm

"high class gaming"

I lol'ed.

Now, now, there are games that are clearly above others. What those games are is subjective, however. For me they would include Shadow of the Colossus, Okami and Twiligth Princes for example. I do beleive Skyrim is a canditate to join that list.

Though the lack of attributes, spell effectiveness, armor and weapon degradation etc. does give it a bit of a "TES for dummies" feel :shrug: Though not as much as Dragon Age felt like "D&D for dummies", and DA2 felt like "Dragon Age for dummies" :P
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Post » Thu May 10, 2012 1:09 am

See... Your post was valid, right up until this paragraph.

Oh and bro - before you go and insult other people's intelligence, try looking at your own :)


So my post was valid until I started speaking about specifics? Okay. That makes a lot of sense. I've looked at my intelligence. It's great. Thanks.
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Post » Wed May 09, 2012 11:57 am

Cool story bro.

/thread
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Post » Wed May 09, 2012 4:13 pm

/thread


/intelligence and any worthwhile debate. SHUT HIM DOWN SHUT HIM DOWN HE'S SAYING BAD THINGS ABOUT OUR GREAT GAME. Wow, enlightened minds, let's keep the world alive.
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Post » Wed May 09, 2012 8:22 pm

Cool story bro.
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Post » Wed May 09, 2012 3:49 pm

So uh, yeah. No.
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Post » Wed May 09, 2012 2:09 pm

It's been a long time since I've been so cripplingly disappointed with a game. Todd Howard should be ashamed of himself. From the unique, handcrafted master art that was Morrowind, released nearly 10 years ago, to this? To a piece of saturday night entertainment that panders to the lowest common denominator and BLEEDS mind-numbing repetition and lazy design? I've stepped in puddles deeper than this game.

All that with and the irony of a "Play however you want!" slogan slapped on the top. Well, I would, but you're not letting me. Because the game isn't designed to give me a deep, personal experience. The game is designed to impress teenagers with spectacle and explosions and dragons (ooh!) and rob them of their parent's money. And the saddest thing? It's working. So all you connoisseurs of high class gaming? (a title which has been twisted into a false insult by idiots who respect idiocy) You're getting more of the same. Because it sells, and only because it sells. There is no artistic integrity in this game. Not a shred of it. I refuse to believe that, in the 10 years since Morrowind, the Bethesda developers have lost so much common sense and become so infantile to put this on a par with that great game.

Three stats? No classes? No major and minor skills? No birth signs? No weapon deterioration? No crossbows, spears, throwing weapons? No spell making? No potion naming? Where did the medium armour skill go? Where did the unarmed skill go? Where did the unarmoured skill go? What about acrobatics? What about athletics? What about mysticism? Why do I feel tired and uncompelled to search through any of these crates, barrels and bags? Maybe it's the 10 gold and potatoes that I know I'm going to find.

Absurd game. I'm half expecting to check the calendar and realise that it's April 1st. Bethesda hit the promised land of RPGs with Morrowind and ever since then they've been scrambling around trying to figure out what made that game great -- and missing every time.

Please don't make a sequel.

Thanks.

I blame it on consol-ification
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Post » Wed May 09, 2012 10:50 pm

Wow, seriously? Get over it. Okay so they simplified some things. Frankly I could care less, it's nice to not be tied to all those behaviours. To get the most of out of things it's still wise to concentrate on certain perk trees your just not 'forced' to. I didn't have to spend two months planning my character and then realise I messed up and re-do a four day trek through the training levels to re-build my character. That right there will make replay so much more inviting. True the graphics aren't always what they've been boasting they will be, but some things do look pretty cool. The story lines are there though and that is always the most important part of any RPG in my opinion. The added conversations and back stories and more 'evolved' npc personalities are making it a far better experience than either Morrowind or Oblivion. And, yep, I'm gonna say it I love my finishing moves ala Bioware. I don't think that it's Bethesda being idiots that has you seeing red, it's your quite rigid expectations. Can't wait for the next one!

@Inatar so right about the walking, oh the walking


It's been a long time since I've been so cripplingly disappointed with a game. Todd Howard should be ashamed of himself. From the unique, handcrafted master art that was Morrowind, released nearly 10 years ago, to this? To a piece of saturday night entertainment that panders to the lowest common denominator and BLEEDS mind-numbing repetition and lazy design? I've stepped in puddles deeper than this game.

All that with and the irony of a "Play however you want!" slogan slapped on the top. Well, I would, but you're not letting me. Because the game isn't designed to give me a deep, personal experience. The game is designed to impress teenagers with spectacle and explosions and dragons (ooh!) and rob them of their parent's money. And the saddest thing? It's working. So all you connoisseurs of high class gaming? (a title which has been twisted into a false insult by idiots who respect idiocy) You're getting more of the same. Because it sells, and only because it sells. There is no artistic integrity in this game. Not a shred of it. I refuse to believe that, in the 10 years since Morrowind, the Bethesda developers have lost so much common sense and become so infantile to put this on a par with that great game.

Three stats? No classes? No major and minor skills? No birth signs? No weapon deterioration? No crossbows, spears, throwing weapons? No spell making? No potion naming? Where did the medium armour skill go? Where did the unarmed skill go? Where did the unarmoured skill go? What about acrobatics? What about athletics? What about mysticism? Why do I feel tired and uncompelled to search through any of these crates, barrels and bags? Maybe it's the 10 gold and potatoes that I know I'm going to find.

Absurd game. I'm half expecting to check the calendar and realise that it's April 1st. Bethesda hit the promised land of RPGs with Morrowind and ever since then they've been scrambling around trying to figure out what made that game great -- and missing every time.

Please don't make a sequel.

Thanks.
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Post » Wed May 09, 2012 9:37 pm

This. This is what you're pandering to, Bethesda. People so inept - so intellectually bereft - that they only possess enough brain power to sputter out the latest meme or catchphrase.

So you go around spreading hatred (towards developers and fans) insulting our collective intelligence, and you're labeling US ignorant?

Your argument really deserves nothing more than cool story, bro. That's all that trolls get.


Now, now, there are games that are clearly above others. What those games are is subjective, however. For me they would include Shadow of the Colossus, Okami and Twiligth Princes for example. I do beleive Skyrim is a canditate to join that list.

Though the lack of attributes, spell effectiveness, armor and weapon degradation etc. does give it a bit of a "TES for dummies" feel :shrug: Though not as much as Dragon Age felt like "D&D for dummies", and DA2 felt like "Dragon Age for dummies" :P

Oh for sure, I don't disagree. But to go on such a rampage about simple flaws in a game, insulting people and being a straight up arrogant [censored] over a video game? That, is what I was laughing at.
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Post » Wed May 09, 2012 2:55 pm

It's funny how people over at RPGcodex are mostly pleasantly surprised with this game, while people here are complaining like hell. It's a complete 180 compared to Oblivion's release.
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Post » Wed May 09, 2012 6:04 pm

/intelligence and any worthwhile debate. SHUT HIM DOWN SHUT HIM DOWN HE'S SAYING BAD THINGS ABOUT OUR GREAT GAME. Wow, enlightened minds, let's keep the world alive.

Hyperbole in either ("greatest game ever!" "game is horrendous!") direction is useless and a waste of hot air.

You're not contributing anything, you're just fanning the flames higher.

But, then, it's hard to expect much more these days, since that's what "public discourse" has become due to talk radio, TV pundits, and what passes for "informed debate" on TV.
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Post » Wed May 09, 2012 7:50 pm

Cool story bro.
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Post » Wed May 09, 2012 1:29 pm

Princeofogre is too smart to have fun. And fat.
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Post » Wed May 09, 2012 3:39 pm

It's funny how people over at RPGcodex are pleasantly surprised with this game, while people here are complaining like hell. It's a complete 180 compared to Oblivion's release.

Always the same on official forums, mostly attention seekers, trolls, and the ignorant FPS fans creating a noise over nothing. It will quieten down in a week or so, they'll move on and whine about a different game, have seen it all before.

At the end of the day, some people just expect far, far too much from games, and are then crestfallen when their lofty expectations are invariably proved to be just that.
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Post » Wed May 09, 2012 12:57 pm

Is it just me, or does every complaint seem to be exactly the same? As in, to a letter, and always on trivial subjects.
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Post » Wed May 09, 2012 9:46 pm

Ranting over the removal of the worst parts of the previous games is an insult to your own intelligence.
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Post » Wed May 09, 2012 10:35 pm

Dumb topic.

Common intelligence is most people are able to figure out how to play a game that doesn't hold your hand every step of the way. If you are unable to get into the game then don't play it. Morrowind was fantastic, Oblivion was terrible, and Skyrim is a near match to Morrowind from what I have seen. if you can't figure out how to walk off of the path and play on your own without instructions then obviously Open World (Sandbox) RPGs aren't for you. Don't turn other people off of the game just because you can't figure it out.
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Post » Wed May 09, 2012 12:40 pm

Dont tell him that after Morrowind and before Skyrim Bethesda realeased another game - Oblivion, he may commit suicide after he plays it.
Ops, i already did.
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Post » Thu May 10, 2012 1:46 am

Always the same on official forums, mostly attention seekers, trolls, and the ignorant FPS fans creating a noise over nothing. It will quieten down in a week or so, they'll move on and whine about a different game, have seen it all before.
This man speaks the truth. In a week or two, only fans of the game will remain.
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Post » Wed May 09, 2012 12:41 pm

/intelligence and any worthwhile debate. SHUT HIM DOWN SHUT HIM DOWN HE'S SAYING BAD THINGS ABOUT OUR GREAT GAME. Wow, enlightened minds, let's keep the world alive.


Maybe if you toned down on insulting peoples intelligence? Might help a tad.
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Post » Wed May 09, 2012 10:09 pm

Ever played DA2?
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Post » Wed May 09, 2012 10:33 pm

ITT idiots band together to try to assassinate the truth speaker.

If I had plain insulted this game without giving any reason why then I'd be qualified to be called a troll. As it stands, if I were praising the game with the exact same passion and tenacity then all of you hoodlums would join in with me. THAT, right there, is the KEY to all of your ignorance. Will vs. Will. Might is right. Good job, guys.
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Post » Wed May 09, 2012 5:41 pm

Your entire post is invalid due to the threads title. You imply that intelligence is common; it is not. Aside from that, you seem to not have researched this game before purchasing it, which is your own fault. All your complaints were things we have known about for several months. You also tried to make a point about how having more skills made the game more personal, which is not true. While I do wish that we had an extensive character creation process as Daggerfall's, the removal of a few skills doesn't kill the game for me all together. Its not like removing hand to hand as a skill is going to prevent me from roleplaying, which is why I play these games, to roleplay.

EDIT: HOLY [censored] [censored]!

You just called yourself a truth speaker, like your some damned crusader of reason bringing the torch of knowledge to these poor wretches who do not share your opinion. I don't care how intelligent you are, you're acting incredibly immature.

Not to say implying that you're a troll is mature, its quite the opposite actually. You just seem to believe that anybody who does not share your opinion or does not have the same taste as you is an idiot.
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