And that proves they’re evil.

Yes they are.They sustain their life force at the expense of living creatures and were created by the very evil Daedric Prince Molag Bal. You can roleplay a tortured soul trying to retain your humanity if you wish, but you are a creature of evil, like it or not.


Edit: Have a read if this is you wish to understand more.

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Vampire

And if you do the quest or read the lore, then you definately know what Molag Bal likes to do...

I respect that not all vampires wanted their curse and I am aware of the ones that do their best to curb their urges. As long as they do not put themselves between me and the monsters that have given into their animal nature and crave only blood and power they will be spared.

This view is based on my characters struggle with controlling his werewolf urges. As he has learned to control himself and do no harm to the innocent he expects the same from the vampires.

You don't say?

they wont share the cattle with me ... bug or am i missing something? my wife stormed in going wtf when i interacted with the female cattle an the sounds that followed from said cattle lol

I read your link, and nowhere does it say that a vampire is transformed to an evil being. It did however say that they are misunderstood by the living. They might be considered evil because of the actions of some, but that doesnt make it true. And nowhere in the lore does it say that a person forced to become a vampire suddenly transforms to become evil, the dlc is proof of this.

Edit: Humans sustain themselves at the expense of other living creatures as well. I guess every human and predator is evil then

I'm pretty sure they svck.

What?

Yes but humans kill creaturs that are not self-aware (or don't have the intelligence level of humans) for food, while vamps kill human level intelligent creatures for food.

An outside source was brought into this thread, UESPWiki. Not sure how accurate it is, but since another poster brought it up I will use it also. Based on that, vampires can fill their cravings with animal blood, also do vamps need to kill to feed or just drink blood, and do vamps even need blood at all in skyrim lore to stay "alive" (since drinking makes them weaker) what if a vampire resist the cravings?


Surely something cant be deemed evil because it is doing what it has to in order to survive. (If vamps even need blood to live based on elder scrolls lore or if it is simply a craving that can go unquenched)

And I didnt know the worth of a life was based on how smart a person or creature is.

^true dat hahaha

^I was hoping someone would catch my drift....

About the whole whether they need to feed thing, there is a topic about that here.....

http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1386723-do-vampires-need-to-feed-in-order-to-survive/page__p__21043433#entry21043433

Don't know about feeding on animal blood though.

Doesn't matter. What is a vampire suppose to do? Starve themselves? They need to feed to survive. Intelligence in prey is irrelevant.

So every apex predator is evil? Lions are sustained by what they eat. As are meat eating humans. Are they evil? I think not. They simply follow their instincts. Your logic is flawed.

hm... the spawn of a deadric prince that propagates itself by spreading (as a disease) to the prey races, and cultivates a society where they encourage eachother to feed on their own former species....

yeah having a hard time finding anything not evil out of that

This all happens in nature, cannibalism, parasitic invasion, eating of ones off-spring even. You cannot condemn one without condeming the other. Individuals (regardless of species) can be classified as evil, entire races cannot.

I have no problem condemning cannibalism, parasitic invasions, and eating your children. I have no problem condemning those at all.

I don't understand your point.

My point is, some insects for example, do those things. That is their nature. You condemn that as evil. Yet humanity, which has almost destroyed this planet, is not? THATS my point. Not all people are bad however. But your judgements seem to leave humanity exempt by default.

Some people it seems label anything above them in the food chain as evil. Such hypocrisy.

If you where a sheep or pig, you would be calling the human race evil my friend.

Well that is because morality is largely subjective, the evil overlord rarely thinks himself evil, he for some reason or another justifies his actions to himself. The same can be said of almost anything that is perceived as evil. So yes, as a human, I see vampires as evil, for their continued existence is a threat to mine. They will propagate and continue to grow, and thus demand more food, which I unfortunately fall under.

I understand your predicament. Your reasoning is sound. Self preservation is at the core of every living thing is it not? It does not however, devalidate my point. Humans do what they need to do in order to survive. As do the Hominus Nocturna. Good and evil are meaningless when presented with these facts.

Good and evil are frames of mind. A vampire cannot always control what he is. He has to make peace with that part of him.

Role-Playing the wisdom of The Ways of the Voice has my character meditating on what he is, and what he could be with the proper application of his new...gifts.
Do not Dragons contest with themselves and their beasial urges? Does this power of a Vampire Lord not put me closer to what my blood dictates that I am?

But does that make me evil, because I must seduce and feed from the innocent? Only if I allow myself to become savage in it's practice...That's why I say thank you after each feeding. That's only proper.

Almost destroyed this planet?! LOL!

The planet is fine.

Read your history and lore. All the major world crisis throughout history have been bought about by humans.

And? Whats your point?

And besides, none of those major world crisis almost destroyed this planet.

By the way vampires who murder innocent people to satisfy their own desires are evil.