Vampires are evil

Post » Sun Nov 18, 2012 9:54 pm

And? Whats your point?

And besides, none of those major world crisis almost destroyed this planet.

By the way vampires who murder innocent people to satisfy their own desires are evil.

Read the previous posts if you want to know my point........mortal.
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Post » Sun Nov 18, 2012 7:22 pm

Read the previous posts if you want to know my point........mortal.

Look at the man in the mirror, we are all mortal....even you.
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Post » Mon Nov 19, 2012 2:31 am

I understand your predicament. Your reasoning is sound. Self preservation is at the core of every living thing is it not? It does not however, devalidate my point. Humans do what they need to do in order to survive. As do the Hominus Nocturna. Good and evil are meaningless when presented with these facts.

So if a man murders many people just for his own selfish reason to live, then its ok? I think not.

Self-preservation is not an excuse for someone to be able to do anything he wants, even immoral actions, and not be called evil.
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Post » Mon Nov 19, 2012 9:11 am

So if a man murders many people just for his own selfish reason to live, then its ok? I think not.

Self-preservation is not an excuse for someone to be able to do anything he wants, even immoral actions, and not be called evil.

How many people have you slayed in skyrim........mortal? How many settlements and camps have you invaded and blooded those that dwelt there in the name of your "noble" cause or in so called self defense? Do not preach sentiment to me, mortal. I will take my leave.
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Post » Mon Nov 19, 2012 6:34 am

What suprises me that even after countless topics how moral system is irrevelant to Daedra. You people still insist that there is a good/evil dichotomy in this world? That is childish. Evil does not exist. Good does not exist. I would love to live in a simple world, but I do not. The same applies to NPCs of Tamriel.
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Post » Mon Nov 19, 2012 4:45 am

Dawnguard are fanatics who just want to kill off all vampires regardless of whether they're good or evil.

Some of the vampires in the DLC just want to kill off all mortals (or turn them) regardless of whether they're good or evil.

What's the difference?
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Post » Sun Nov 18, 2012 11:14 pm

What suprises me that even after countless topics how moral system is irrevelant to Daedra. You people still insist that there is a good/evil dichotomy in this world? That is childish. Evil does not exist. Good does not exist. I would love to live in a simple world, but I do not. The same applies to NPCs of Tamriel.

So there is no evil or good in the TES world? That makes no sense.
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Post » Sun Nov 18, 2012 6:43 pm

this isnt twilight man, what do you expect?
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Post » Mon Nov 19, 2012 1:20 am

What an unexpected turn of events...
Lol
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Post » Mon Nov 19, 2012 7:46 am

Gotta watch out for those werebunnies too. They will decimate your carrott farm. Ive seen it. Horrific stuff.
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Post » Mon Nov 19, 2012 3:40 am

So there is no evil or good in the TES world? That makes no sense.

Evil exists as a subjective human term but not as an objective overarching concept.
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Post » Mon Nov 19, 2012 6:13 am

I read your link, and nowhere does it say that a vampire is transformed to an evil being. It did however say that they are misunderstood by the living. They might be considered evil because of the actions of some, but that doesnt make it true. And nowhere in the lore does it say that a person forced to become a vampire suddenly transforms to become evil, the dlc is proof of this.

OK, was away for a day, so a bit late on this. If you read the book linked on that page (Opusculus Lamae Bal ta Mezzamortie), you'll see the origin story of vampires in the TES universe. I'll quote it to save you looking.

"
Translation by University of Gwylim Press; 3E 105

As brighter grows light, darker becomes shadow. So it passed that the Daedra Molag Bal looked on Arkay and thought the Aedra prideful of his dominion o’er the death of man and mer, and it was sooth.

Bal, whose sphere is the wanton oppression and entrapment of mortal souls, sought to thwart Arkay, who knew that not man, nor mer, nor beastfolk of all Nirn could escape eventual death. The Aedra was doubtless of his sphere, and so Molag Bal set upon Nirn to best death.

Tamriel was still young, and filled with danger and wondrous magick when Bal walked in the aspect of a man and took a virgin, Lamae Beolfag, from the Nedic Peoples. Savage and loveless, Bal profaned her body, and her screams became the Shrieking Winds, which still haunt certain winding fjords of Skyrim. Shedding a lone droplet of blood on her brow, Bal left Nirn, having sown his wrath.

Violated and comatose, Lamae was found by nomads, and cared for. A fortnight hence, the nomad wyrd-woman enshrouded Lamae in pall for she had passed into death. In their way, the nomads built a bonfire to immolate the husk. That night, Lamae rose from her funeral pyre, and set upon the coven, still aflame. She ripped the throats of the women, ate the eyes of the children, and [censored] their men as cruelly as Bal had ravished her.

And so; Lamae, (who is known to us as blood-matron) imprecated her foul aspect upon the folk of Tamriel, and begat a brood of countless abominations, from which came the vampires, most cunning of the night-horrors. And so was the scourge of undeath wrought upon Tamriel, cruelly mocking Arkay’s rhythm of life and death through all the coming eras of the et'Ada, and for all his sadness, Arkay knew this could not be undone."

(Highlights are my own).

Edit: Humans sustain themselves at the expense of other living creatures as well. I guess every human and predator is evil then

In case you don't understand what the text (And the general lore) is saying. When a vampire feeds, it doesn't just kill the victim, it denies the soul it's rightful place in the afterlife and the souls become the property of Molag Bal do do with as he wishes. That is the whole point of why he created vampires.

Living things eat living things to keep living. Vampires are not living things. Their un-life is artificially extended at the expense of living souls, harvested for Molag Bal . How can that not be evil?
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Post » Mon Nov 19, 2012 1:41 am

is there a problem?
i kinda didnt really expect anything less of vampires other than them to be evil an see humans as cattle. i mean their hardly going to act like fairies are they. they seem to act like a vampire should.
not true, serana is good
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Post » Mon Nov 19, 2012 1:34 am

not true, serana is good
er not really she likes being a vampire and at various points she tries to tempt you with it.
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Post » Mon Nov 19, 2012 6:38 am

er not really she likes being a vampire and at various points she tries to tempt you with it.
And she appears to be confused with her feelings, one minute it appears she to want you sixually, the other if you ask for her hand in marriage she shoots you down.
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Post » Mon Nov 19, 2012 2:44 am

the vampires are the apex predators, top of the foodchain, is see no evil in that.
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Post » Mon Nov 19, 2012 5:34 am

And she appears to be confused with her feelings, one minute it appears she to want you sixually, the other if you ask for her hand in marriage she shoots you down.
Well it would not make much sense cause I mean the way you marry in skyrim is a practice of mara and she is a follower of molag bal anyway I can see the PC modders finding some way to allow you to marry her.
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Post » Sun Nov 18, 2012 9:00 pm

Oh by the Nine !

For days I was wandering around the forums in search of place full of Good , Justice and Light.
Here I am.
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Post » Mon Nov 19, 2012 5:39 am

Count Hasildor was an awesome guy, along with Serana and Sybil (on her good side, she seemed to respect Toryg a lot).
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Post » Sun Nov 18, 2012 10:06 pm

They sustain their life force at the expense of living creatures.
Sounds just like humans doesn't it
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Post » Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:36 pm




Theirs a difference between "eating something", and "eating something while its still alive". The former is needed to survive, the latter is just monstrous, especially if the latter is being done for "fun".

Vampires are scum.
Vampire cannot drink the blood of the dead for what ive seen
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Post » Mon Nov 19, 2012 1:13 am

the vampires are the apex predators, top of the foodchain, is see no evil in that.
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Post » Mon Nov 19, 2012 7:59 am

And what about the majority of the Dawnguard, invading caves, burning and torturing vampires. If you kill 100 people and just one of them was innocent then you have comited an evil. It does not matter if they dont know, ignorance is not an excuse for murder, especially when fueled by prejudice

lol Vamps are people too
sometimes the ends justify the means in order for the fair folk of skyrim to continue living peacefully. This scourage must be purged for the good of all. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.
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Post » Mon Nov 19, 2012 9:21 am

there are no innocent vampires. Every vampire has fed on someone at least once.
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Post » Mon Nov 19, 2012 6:57 am

I walk into the castle and they are drinking from live people on their tables! And worse they are called human cattle! And they lik scream when u try to talk to them!

Damn straight.
Im sick and tired of this with Twilight freaking glowing discoball pedo fairy poor excuse of a vampire B.S.
I like my vampires hungry for blood and straight up monstrous.
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