[jessica Villacis]

I'm mostly agreeing with you, basically playing devil's advocate, and the last thing you brought up makes the same basic point as the sawn-off. Hell might as well add the chinese POStol also. From a game balance and even remotely distant realism point, what were these things doing in the game?

Maybe that was an early attempt by Bethesda to implement hardcoe Mode?

Maybe that should be an achievement. Beat the game only using the Chinese POStol. XD

I read from Josh's statements that he will call the ammo for the pistol 12.7mm ammo and the ammo for the AMR will be called .50MG. I understood from his post that the change was to name the .50AE as a metric round to avoid the confusion of having two .50 cal ammos in the game. Maybe I'm wrong. I'll have to go read his post again.

Hmm, I may have read it wrong then. I thought he was saying that he made the .50 BMG round just .50 cal in order to avoid confusion of why a handgun is using .50 BMG rounds instead of .50 AE, and avoided utilizing two separate .50 ammos to avoid confusing anyone who is unfamiliar with different ammo types.

Though if that means there's two .50 rifles in the game, I have no complaints. :drool:

As a counter point to that, though, how should you handle the .44 Lever action and the Hunting rifle. At close ranges both rounds have close enought ballistics to call it a draw. The big difference is velocity and thereby both penetration and longer range. The .308 starts to own the .44 Mag out past 200 yards. But for the need to play to the lowest common denominator (the player that has little knowledge of guns) the intrinsinc differences between these rounds were blurred. I understand the decision Josh had to make here. I don't know if I agree with it. The .308 should penetrate DT much better than .44 and the .44 should explode soft target like jello while the .308 goes right through them.

Did Josh ever state that the .308 would not penetrate DT? Because that would be disappointing if that's the case. =/ I understand the reason why velocity and distance are not brought into the equation, but we're talking about a needlenose design versus a flatnose design of the bullets.
I guess it would have to do with the .308 possibly not having enough damage to break the threshold, but I would just assume that there could be some sort of code that essentially bypasses DT, or adds a certain amount of damage that can be directed into the enemy. This same concept could apply for AP rounds so that they always pierce and aren't just absurdly strong.

[dav]

Ok. I love a puzzle. So in order of diameter:

.177" BB gun.
.22" Varmint Rifle, Silences Pistiol and Silences SMG
5mm Gatling Gun
5.56mm Assault Carbine, Assault Rifle, LMG
.308" Hunting Rifle, Sniper
.32" Pistol???????
.357" Lever and pistol
9mm Pistol, SMG
10mm Pistol, SMG
.44" Lever and pistol
.45-70 ?????
12.7mm Pistol
.50" Anti-materiel
20GA Lever and Over-under
12GA ???????

Holy Crap. Unless you moved the mini-gun that's the one. Either that or the 12.7. That means the .50BMG has 2 guns. That means the .45-70 has two guns. Or maybe the 12.7 has two guns. Wait! You are counting the .50MG and the 12.7mm as TWO different ammo types, right? This means that there is EITHER a .50 Machine Gun OR a 12.7mm Revolver! But at least one.

Dear God, Please be the 1897 Winchester Pump Action I love that gun sooooooooo much.

[Heather Kush]

Maybe that was an early attempt by Bethesda to implement hardcoe Mode?

Maybe that should be an achievement. Beat the game only using the Chinese POStol. XD

Hmm, I may have read it wrong then. I thought he was saying that he made the .50 BMG round just .50 cal in order to avoid confusion of why a handgun is using .50 BMG rounds instead of .50 AE, and avoided utilizing two separate .50 ammos to avoid confusing anyone who is unfamiliar with different ammo types.

Though if that means there's two .50 rifles in the game, I have no complaints. :drool:

I actually did one playthrough using almost exclusively the 10mm Silenced, which ain't much better, but I wouldn't even try the Chinese POStol suicide playthrough.

Also, speculation running rampant through me like the beer and cigar I'm about to go have, Josh has named the AMR round the ".50MG". I don't think we're in Kansas anymore Dorothy and I don't think we're gonna have two .50cal rifles either, if you follow me.

[Elisabete Gaspar]

Yet another reason Energy Weapons are superior to Guns. They only have 3 different ammo types, one for pistols, one for rifles, and one for the giant Gatling Laser. Makes things so much simpler. I'll bet a lot of people will be relying on Energy Weapons in hardcoe mode to save on ammo weight.

[Amy Masters]

I actually did one playthrough using almost exclusively the 10mm Silenced, which ain't much better, but I wouldn't even try the Chinese POStol suicide playthrough.

Also, speculation running rampant through me like the beer and cigar I'm about to go have, Josh has named the AMR round the ".50MG". I don't think we're in Kansas anymore Dorothy and I don't think we're gonna have two .50cal rifles either, if you follow me.

Haha, I actually did that playthrough before as well. But I've never worked up the courage to just use the Chinese POStol exclusively in a playthrough.

And that doesn't really surprise me. Eh, I'll still have fun with the AMR and 12.7mm pistol though. Move over Callahan, there's a new enforcer in town.

[Ashley Tamen]

Did Josh ever state that the .308 would not penetrate DT? Because that would be disappointing if that's the case. =/ I understand the reason why velocity and distance are not brought into the equation, but we're talking about a needlenose design versus a flatnose design of the bullets.
I guess it would have to do with the .308 possibly not having enough damage to break the threshold, but I would just assume that there could be some sort of code that essentially bypasses DT, or adds a certain amount of damage that can be directed into the enemy. This same concept could apply for AP rounds so that they always pierce and aren't just absurdly strong.

No he said that .308 and .44 would penetrate the same. What I understood from him was that DT bypass was not modeled into ANY of the base ammos. Only in AP. And I gathered that the damage modeled for base ammos was only adjusted for the length of barrel the gun had. ie; the .44 lever-action had higher dam than the .44 revovler. Since at 100 yards, very generic loads of both .44 mag and .308 have similar TKO, then they'll both essentially act the same. But nothing to do with the type of target hit, no plusses or minuses based on DT.

Dear God, Please be the 1897 Winchester Pump Action I love that gun sooooooooo much.

Let's see:
Need a 12GA still.......check.
No pump yet...............check.
Browning design..........check, check, check, check, check, check, check, check, check, check,

I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.

Yet another reason Energy Weapons are superior to Guns. They only have 3 different ammo types, one for pistols, one for rifles, and one for the giant Gatling Laser. Makes things so much simpler. I'll bet a lot of people will be relying on Energy Weapons in hardcoe mode to save on ammo weight.

That all depends on how much MF and Energy cells weigh. They look a lot bigger than bullets.

[Crystal Clarke]

No. What I understood from him was that DT bypass was not modeled into ANY of the base ammos. Only in AP. And I gathered that the damage modeled for base ammos was only adjusted for the length of barrel the gun had. ie; the .44 lever-action had higher dam than the .44 revovler. Since at 100 yards, very generic loads of both .44 mag and .308 have similar TKO, then they'll both essentially act the same. But nothing to do with the type of target hit, no plusses or minuses based on DT.

Ah damn, that svcks. =/

Well I guess I should expect that. After all other real world counterparts, like the 5.56's tumble effect wouldn't be implemented into the game. But that makes it seem like .44 will always best the .308 then, or at least have barely any differences. :mellow:

[Britta Gronkowski]

Ah damn, that svcks. =/

Well I guess I should expect that. After all other real world counterparts, like the 5.56's tumble effect wouldn't be implemented into the game. But that makes it seem like .44 will always best the .308 then, or at least have barely any differences. :mellow:

And this is why Question of the Day #4 came about. See what you have to give from realism to make the game play work for everyone?

[des lynam]

And this is why Question of the Day #4 came about. See what you have to give from realism to make the game play work for everyone?

Yes. -sniffles- I feel your pain.

Now what should question #5 be?

[Kelli Wolfe]

Yes. -sniffles- I feel your pain.

Now what should question #5 be?

OK. I definitely need my cigar and beer for that. I need my thinking paraphernalia for the scintillating, penetrating and topical questions.

Either that or you could ask one. l'm still havin the beer and smoke, tho. :bolt:

[Myles]

Well they already spilled that DU was exclusive to the Anti material rifle over on Games/De unless I missread the artical so thats hardly a revilation

[Tamara Dost]

Well they already spilled that DU was exclusive to the Anti material rifle over on Games/De unless I missread the artical so thats hardly a revilation

University of Denver?
Ducks Unlimited?
Democratic Underground?
Disk Usage?
Cirque DU Soleil?
Omelet DU fromage?

I guess I'm not sure what "DU" is. Care to mentor me here a bit?

[marina]

University of Denver?
Ducks Unlimited?
Democratic Underground?
Disk Usage?
Cirque DU Soleil?
Omelet DU fromage?

I guess I'm not sure what "DU" is. Care to mentor me here a bit?

I believe he's referring to Depleted Uranium rounds.

Unless you were being sarcastic. My mind's exhausted, so my ability to read sarcasm is fried at the moment. D:

[Janette Segura]

Yet another reason Energy Weapons are superior to Guns. They only have 3 different ammo types, one for pistols, one for rifles, and one for the giant Gatling Laser. Makes things so much simpler. I'll bet a lot of people will be relying on Energy Weapons in hardcoe mode to save on ammo weight.

Oh I take it you missed the coment elsehwere that even energy weapon ammo comes in "Regular" "Bulk"(low energy and low wear and tear per shot) and "Military issue"(high damage, high wear and tear) types

they will probably make the ammo weights roughly the same per base DPS.

and to be blunt all hardcoe ever did for me was make it so that I just looted what I could use right then as I riped the place up, then go back and strip the place to the bones to the most convient "container"

[Marcia Renton]

I believe he's referring to Depleted Uranium rounds.

Unless you were being sarcastic. My mind's exhausted, so my ability to read sarcasm is fried at the moment. D:

I'm waiting for UDU. Undepleted Uranium. It's a [censored] to wear that lead lined suit, but you make up for it in that the target may die in a few weeks from radiation poisoning. :celebration:

[Pants]

You guys see the new PAX videos with the Machine Gun Grenade Launcher? :tops:

[tiffany Royal]

Question of the Day #5

How many FO:NV confirmed weapon designs were (probably) inspired by the real designs of John Moses Browning? Name them please, both the FO names and the appropriate Browning designs.

Tie breaker: How many FO:NV confirmed cartride designs are similarly inspired (probably) by real Browning designed cartridges?

[louise fortin]

.45-70 ?????

That means the .45-70 has two guns.

Hmmm...two longarms, or...a longarm and a sidearm?

And what sidearm mentioned by a developer chambers something so beastly?

muahahahahahahah!

[Kellymarie Heppell]

Hmmm...two longarms, or...a longarm and a sidearm?

And what sidearm mentioned by a developer chambers something so beastly?

muahahahahahahah!

Well, there is the Thompson/Center Contender. Don't count your cookies yet.

[Sakura Haruno]

Well, there is the Thompson/Center Contender. Don't count your cookies yet.

*nod* True. However, nobody named Sawyer mentioned the Contender by name, but did mention the BFR.

Let's see, what other pseudo-info can I toss in here? Ah- with the yowling about reload times on double-barrels, would they set themselves up for "more of the same even louder" with a single-shot? (eek...now I'm contemplating the MOA Maximum as an interesting "why not toss that in" toy...)

[SamanthaLove]

Question of the Day #5

How many FO:NV confirmed weapon designs were (probably) inspired by the real designs of John Moses Browning? Name them please, both the FO names and the appropriate Browning designs.

Tie breaker: How many FO:NV confirmed cartride designs are similarly inspired (probably) by real Browning designed cartridges?

well lets review

Browning developed the e followingcartridges that are in some use today:

.25 ACP
.32 ACP
.38 ACP
9mm Browning Long
.380 ACP
.45 ACP
.50 BMG

I suspect were probably looking at only the .45 and .50 bmg unless I missed something. Noone I know of uses the .9 Browning long and any.32/ .38/.380 are probably going to end up as generic "Pistol ammo"

he also made some other gun cartriges but most of them are not realy that well known, and some aparently only existed as designs

of the guns I can see them maybee doing the following

U.S. M1895 Colt-Browning machine gun (the so called potato digger) Iffy but I can see it being used by either CL or NCR

FN Browning M1899/M1900 FN Model 1910 would be a bit of a duplication. and the Colt Woodsman is kind of iffy

Colt Model 1900-05 semi auto pistols for all thoes odd caliber pistol rounds

Remington Model 8 (1906), (semi-automatic rifle, kind of iffy though along with the other Remingtons)

Colt Model 1908 Vest Pocket (.25 ACP) a perfect fun for conceild carry or Colt Model 1908 Pocket Hammerless (.380 ACP)

U.S. M1911 pistol (.45 ACP) (god I hope its in)

SOME of the Various Winchesters are in

Browning Auto-5 long recoil semi-automatic shotgun may be a bit redundant

U.S. M1917 water-cooled machine gun/U.S. M1919 air-cooled machine gun. . . matbee but thoes dang guns weigh a ton irl (the air cooled is ~30 pounds)

U.S. M1918 Browning Automatic Rifle (BAR) would be sweet to get ahold of. Especialy a "Machine Gun Kelly" version

U.S. M2 .50-caliber heavy machine gun would be sweet but its probably overkill to get that and a .50 AMR

I suspect the Remintons would be a bit of a duplication of effort

Browning Hi-Power I think is confirmed

his Superposed over/under shotgun would be sweet but will probably have to settle for a generic double barrel job.

[e.Double]

We have a confirmation on the M3 Grease Gun being in New Vegas! (Now all we need is a bunch of other WWII Sub-Machine Guns...) :tops:

[Kelvin]

We have a confirmation on the M3 Grease Gun being in New Vegas! (Now all we need is a bunch of other WWII Sub-Machine Guns...) :tops:

Maybe I should have said it reminded me of the Grease Gun. Like it wasn't labeled as "Grease Gun" and I dont know the difference between an M16 and an M4. So it may be in but don't take my word for it.

[JLG]

Maybe I should have said it reminded me of the Grease Gun. Like it wasn't labeled as "Grease Gun" and I dont know the difference between an M16 and an M4. So it may be in but don't take my word for it.

Well it even looking like one is fine by me, I heard another guy mention seeing the Grease Gun in the game so its not just you I'm going by. :tops:

[OnlyDumazzapplyhere]

Browning Hi-Power I think is confirmed

his Superposed over/under shotgun would be sweet but will probably have to settle for a generic double barrel job.

:nono: Incorrect answer. Thanks for playing. You'll recieve a play at home version as a consolation prize.

Well it even looking like one is fine by me, I heard another guy mention seeing the Grease Gun in the game so its not just you I'm going by. :tops:

That's three mentions of the M3 so far, two from poeple who have played the game and one in the All Roads. Of course, just because it's in All Roads doesn't mean it will be in the game, but seeing what is clearly an M3 in the graphic novel added to the first person reports of it being on the demos, I'ma gonna call it confirmed.