[quote]@TDIR8 hell no i want them to not hold back on the PS3 just because the 360 can't handle what the PS3 can.The Cell processor inside PS3 is a 9 core processor & if you don't believe it watch this video all the way through...

Cell processor at the WCIT Austin, Texas.
An interview with Jim Kahle (the "Father" of the Cell CPU)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gV_95-rmYNo[/quote]

Did you not look at my rebuttals to your earlier posts? The PS3 does not have 9 cores, it has one core and eight SPE's which emulate a core (very badly, I might add). They don't even use cache...their local store system is a concept from 1985. =/

You could pit a PS3 against the i7 970 overclocked and the PS3 would get absolutely destroyed. 6 cores with cache beats 9 fake cores anyday, especially when the i7 970 would run at a higher clock speed.

[quote]@TDIR8 hell no i want them to not hold back on the PS3 just because the 360 can't handle what the PS3 can.The Cell processor inside PS3 is a 9 core processor & if you don't believe it watch this video all the way through...

Cell processor at the WCIT Austin, Texas.
An interview with Jim Kahle (the "Father" of the Cell CPU)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gV_95-rmYNo[/quote]

You fail... badly, crytek DID say that they try to get as close to the "roof" as they can on each console, the pc as a higher "roof" ad the 360 a lower one.

Where do you get the "THEY BE HOLDING EHTT BACK!" part?


Honestly, read what people say and listen to what they say in the videos before you say stuff like that, otherwise it's just pointless.

pfff please...Crytek haven't shown much gameplay footage of the playstation 3 edition of crysis 2 yet & they have given little word on it either so don't bull crap me.As far as im concerned it looks generic & cheap on playstation 3 so far compared to other playstation 3 exclusives like killzone 3 & that game is only pre alpha stage compared to crysis 2 lmfao!

http://www.joystiq.com/2005/08/31/ps3s-gpu-got-plenty-on-the-geforce-7800/

NVidia CEO Jen-Hsun Huang stated during Sony's pre-show press conference at E3 2005 that the RSX will be much more powerful than two GeForce 6800 Ultra video cards combined. Current industry speculation is that the RSX may be based on the G70 architecture used in NVidia's GeForce 7 Series GPUs which were introduced in June of 2005, but implementing many more parallel pixel and shader pipelines than any consumer PC GPU (NVidia's top-of-the-line GeForce 7800 GTX currently contains 24 pixel and 8 vertex pipelines), and clocked higher than any PC GPU based on G70 (with speculation that the RSX chip will be reworked using the new G71 architecture topping 650-700mhz and an improved vertex pipeline support, as well as an increased 512mb memory) (again, the 7800 GTX is clocked at 430 MHz, compared to 550 MHz for the RSX). An nVidia spokesperson was quoted in PlayStation Magazine as saying that the 7800GTX "shares a lot of similar inner workings with the PS3's RSX chip, only it (the 7800GTX) isn't nearly as fast (as the RSX)."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RSX_%27Reality_Synthesizer%27

http://www.qj.net/qjnet/news/pachter-ps3-is-more-powerful-than-90-of-pcs.html

[quote]http://www.qj.net/qjnet/news/pachter-ps3-is-more-powerful-than-90-of-pcs.html[/quote]

Do you know what I love about the internet? Someone can just post some random information and as long as it contains some numbers, people will believe it. 90% of PC's? What, are we counting PC's being scrapped in a junkyard? Yeah, so the PS3 is more powerful than 90% of PC's, but then aren't most PC's used for non-gaming tasks, like office work or web surfing? That link and the point you were hopelessly trying to make with it are moot.

Let's see you post some statistics of the PS3 going up against some gaming PC's. Maybe a cell vs a core i7 or better yet, since you seem to think the cell is so powerful, how about 4 Tesla cards SLI'd and see which machine crunches numbers faster? Judging by how you've been billing the PS3, it only seems fair that it should only be tested against the BEST that computers can offer today, right?

I don't know why this is so hard to understand: A processor made in the mid-2000s CANNOT COMPETE WITH TODAY'S HIGH-END HARDWARE. Assuming Moore's law has held true for the past 4 years (and assuming that the cell in the PS3 was the most power processor in it's time - which it wasn't), processing power has QUADRUPLED since the PS3 was RELEASED let alone since the cell began to be manufactured.

So back to my original point - the game is going to look great anyway. Just because your PS3 is maybe only using 98% of its brain to play Crysis 2 isn't going to be the end of the world. idk about you, but I've been quite impressed with what Crytek has done on the 360 and judging by your arguments that the PS3 is miles more powerful than our wildest dreams, you can bet it will look great on it as well.

[quote]http://www.joystiq.com/2005/08/31/ps3s-gpu-got-plenty-on-the-geforce-7800/[/quote]
Cool, a GPU from 2005, thats totally worse than my dual GPU GTX 295 which is now a generation old.

[quote]....the RSX will be much more powerful than two GeForce 6800 Ultra video cards combined.... *some stuff about the 7800GTX*[/quote]
Yea, the 6800ultras are tank - they can run Crysis @ 5fps on low, which is much better than my almost 2-year-old GTX 295 which runs it on max @ 60fps (1920x1200).

Why are you even bothering. This is Crytek, they push everything to its max. It is physically impossible for the PS3 to be better than a gaming PC.

Lets, just for arguments sake, say that the Cell has 7 cores @ 3.2ghz (talon has explained how this isnt true, but whatever). My CPU is a core i7 920 @ 3.6ghz. Thats 8 cores @ 3.6ghz. Hm. I win

Lets look at the ram. The PS3 has some 512mb of RAM. Wow. I have 12gb in DDR3 @ 1600mhz. I win.

Lets look at the GPU. The PS3 has an RSX from 2005 @ 550mhz. I have a GTX 295 @ 600mhz, and the GTX 295 has two GPU cores. And each core is far better than an RSX. I have both a rig with a 7800GTX and my main with a GTX 295. Lets say that the 7800GTX is equal to the RSX (or even slightly worse). Well, my GTX 295 with SLI OFF gets about 10-20x more FPS in Crysis. Add SLI and thats 20-40x more. Hm, seems that my PC is AGAIN better.

Now, lets look at the end of it all. The screen. A PS3 does what, 1080p in SOME games? Huh. My 24" monitor that was $300 is 1200p (1920x1200). Its also smaller which therefore has a higher DPI than a TV. Its also got a faster refresh rate. The ONLY thing my monitor is worse at is if you have one of those fancy new 3D LED tvs. Oh geeze, I didnt spend 10x more on a lower rez monitor so that I could do 3D. Oh well.


Also, the whole "PS3 is far better than Xbox". Honestly, meh. They both svck vs. PC. On paper they're pretty similar consoles, as the Xbox GPU is far faster than the PS3s RSx, but the PS3s cell is far faster than the Xbox CPU. It roughly balances out - its just that the devs on the PS3 do a better job of optimizing their code than Xbox devs.

[quote][quote]http://www.joystiq.com/2005/08/31/ps3s-gpu-got-plenty-on-the-geforce-7800/

....the RSX will be much more powerful than two GeForce 6800 Ultra video cards combined.... *some stuff about the 7800GTX*[/quote]









Why are you even bothering. This is Crytek, they push everything to its max. It is physically impossible for the PS3 to be better than a gaming PC.

Lets, just for arguments sake, say that the Cell has 7 cores @ 3.2ghz (talon has explained how this isnt true, but whatever). My CPU is a core i7 920 @ 3.6ghz. Thats 8 cores @ 3.6ghz. Hm. I win

Lets look at the ram. The PS3 has some 512mb of RAM. Wow. I have 12gb in DDR3 @ 1600mhz. I win.

Lets look at the GPU. The PS3 has an RSX from 2005 @ 550mhz. I have a GTX 295 @ 600mhz, and the GTX 295 has two GPU cores. And each core is far better than an RSX. I have both a rig with a 7800GTX and my main with a GTX 295. Lets say that the 7800GTX is equal to the RSX (or even slightly worse). Well, my GTX 295 with SLI OFF gets about 10-20x more FPS in Crysis. Add SLI and thats 20-40x more. Hm, seems that my PC is AGAIN better.

Now, lets look at the end of it all. The screen. A PS3 does what, 1080p in SOME games? Huh. My 24" monitor that was $300 is 1200p (1920x1200). Its also smaller which therefore has a higher DPI than a TV. Its also got a faster refresh rate. The ONLY thing my monitor is worse at is if you have one of those fancy new 3D LED tvs. Oh geeze, I didnt spend 10x more on a lower rez monitor so that I could do 3D. Oh well.

Also, the whole "PS3 is far better than Xbox". Honestly, meh. They both svck vs. PC. On paper they're pretty similar consoles, as the Xbox GPU is far faster than the PS3s RSx, but the PS3s cell is far faster than the Xbox CPU. It roughly balances out - its just that the devs on the PS3 do a better job of optimizing their code than Xbox devs.[/quote]

I have already tried talking sense into him, dont waste your time. He continues to troll and he is sure to be banned soon for it.

Does the sony guy really think a ps3 is anything like a good pc?

seriously?

A 1 core processor with 8 spu's attached? then supported by a 7800GT? a console that plays any game worse than a basic mid range pc?

Play uncharted 2, then play the original crysis and warhead. Then go on believing the ps3 is more powerful.

For god's sake, tech noobs.

Look i said im through arguing with a mob of biased gamers that don't have much of clue about playstation 3's inner workings so you guys just believe what ever you guys want to i'll stick to the facts thank you!

[quote]Look i said im through arguing with a mob of biased gamers that don't have much of clue about playstation 3's inner workings so you guys just believe what ever you guys want to i'll stick to the facts thank you![/quote]

Yes, but it seems your the only one using biased and incorrect facts. We're trying to explain whats right here.

Also, answer this for me please. Just "yes" or "no".

Do you really think that a 5 year old console that costs $300 is more powerful than a $2,500 PC using hardware only months old?

[quote]Look i said im through arguing with a mob of biased gamers that don't have much of clue about playstation 3's inner workings so you guys just believe what ever you guys want to i'll stick to the facts thank you![/quote]

Oh noes! His PS3 is going to pwn my 6800 and Pentium 3!!! Oh yeah that's right... We are 5 GENERATIONS past the 6800. To be honest, the PS3 and 360 were dated the day they hit the assembly line in Tawain.

We could do a video comparison if you like Sonyguy. I take a video of graphics on my machine running at 1200p 50fps maxed settings, and you can take a video of your machine running 720P 30fps on a medium config.

There is no comparison. The fact that you are still going is proof of how ignorant some people can be.

Dude, a freaking netbook could outperform your puny console. Hahahahaha. xD This "discussion" makes me laugh. Have fun waiting for Crytek to tap into the PS3's "potential". As if every damn transistor and mb of that damn heap of metal isn't already screaming for mercy.

Atleast your PS3 can beat the PS2... Oh wait... Memory sticks FTW!!! xD Memory sticks beat HDD's any day right!? I can post 800 links explaining how my 8MB memory stick is better than a PC's HDD. Oh crap one problem... PC's have actually advanced since the year 2000. Oh well, my memory stick is clearly superior still, because I said so and I am god. xD

Doesn't matter what the PS3 version looks like.....you're still stuck playing it w/ a dual shock3..........anyone wanna take bets on which version will sell the most???

[quote]Doesn't matter what the PS3 version looks like.....you're still stuck playing it w/ a dual shock3..........anyone wanna take bets on which version will sell the most???[/quote]

That's actually a difficult one. My ego would like to say PC, but the realist side of me says Xbox360 because of all the marketing that has gone towards that version.

[quote]That's actually a difficult one. My ego would like to say PC, but the realist side of me says Xbox360 because of all the marketing that has gone towards that version.[/quote]

Yea, same. I personally think its a toss-up between X360 and PC as the PC has an existing fanbase, market and reputation, but the X360 has had INSANE amounts of marketing going into it so far.

On release Im expecting the X360 to sell more, but I WISH it didnt sell that well on consoles (sorry crytek), but sold insanely well on PC (which is good ) so that they could go back to doing pure PC focused games.

[quote][quote]Live Create helps not wasting time.[/quote]

They still managed to delay the release though[/quote]

*facepalm* theyre doing that to make the game better....

I hate to brake it to you guys but a majority of 3rd party developers have shifted their focus on PS3 now because of strong momentum & demand for PS3.PS3 only needs to sell 4 million more units to outsell the 360 worldwide.PS3 already is outselling 360 everywhere else expect the united states & with the solid line up of exclusives & multiplatform games for rest of this year going into 2011 it won't long before it happens.Maybe you people should pay more close attention to whats happening in the gaming industry & you would know these things.

Just because it sells doesnt mean its better. There are probably more than 10,000 Honda / Toyota cars per Ferrari, but I dont know anyone who thinks the Ferrari is worse.

Sales dont mean anything in terms of hardware as well. If sales were directly proportionate to quality / performance, Apple would be a dead company.

Your attempt to change the topic has failed, and your point failed as well.

... if Honda's were as expensive as Ferrari's i think you'd find far more Ferrari's on the road than Honda's.

Bad comparison is bad

[quote]I hate to brake it to you guys but a majority of 3rd party developers have shifted their focus on PS3 now because of strong momentum & demand for PS3.PS3 only needs to sell 4 million more units to outsell the 360 worldwide.PS3 already is outselling 360 everywhere else expect the united states & with the solid line up of exclusives & multiplatform games for rest of this year going into 2011 it won't long before it happens.Maybe you people should pay more close attention to whats happening in the gaming industry & you would know these things.[/quote]

Or maybe we don't give a **** about xbox360 v. PS3.

[quote][quote]I hate to brake it to you guys but a majority of 3rd party developers have shifted their focus on PS3 now because of strong momentum & demand for PS3.PS3 only needs to sell 4 million more units to outsell the 360 worldwide.PS3 already is outselling 360 everywhere else expect the united states & with the solid line up of exclusives & multiplatform games for rest of this year going into 2011 it won't long before it happens.Maybe you people should pay more close attention to whats happening in the gaming industry & you would know these things.[/quote]

Or maybe we don't give a **** about xbox360 v. PS3.[/quote]

well, most ps3 owners are also casual, and i know lots of people who have a couple of them...

[quote]... if Honda's were as expensive as Ferrari's i think you'd find far more Ferrari's on the road than Honda's.

Bad comparison is bad [/quote]

lol ok.

@ TheSonyGuy

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