I have noticed on threads discussing your rating of Skyrim as a game that many of you rate it very highly as an open world RPG and quite low as a TES game.

You all know who you are; so if you would care to explain this apparent double-think please do.

I'm not one of them, but I think they are saying that Skyrim is great compared to all other RPG's on the market, but when compared to other Elder Scrolls, they think it simply falls short.

I could be mistaken though... I think Skyrim is outstanding in both categories.

I think Skyrim is an Amazing TES game and RPG, but I can see while people don't like it as a TES game. Mainly stuff from Morrowind not being in skyrim. But I never played Morrowind, so I can't rant about the problems they think.

So do I

You forgot to say "please".

just kiddin'

Anywho, I think Skyrim is a great open world RPG, and I think it's a great TES game but I have to be honest.. I'm not an expert in either case.

You should try Morrowind and see what all the fuss is about. It's not expensive...except in terms of time...it will cost you a lot of time...providing you can get into it...many cant today....and some it seems cant get out of it and move on.
I agree with you; Skyrim is a great RPG and TES game. Overall I like the changes they made to the mechanics...although that's not such a big deal to me. For me a TES game is the world...and Skyrim is a marvellous world.

Actually I did say please!

Nope. It's excellent in both categories - if it wasn't, none of us would have played It for hundreds of hours!

That is an opinion my friend. Just because people have played it for hundreds of hours does not mean it falls short when it comes to TES.

I'm one of those people, Skyrim is a great game, just not a great TES. It is, however, a better TES than Oblivion in some regards.

Compared to other open world games that come out, Skyrim is great.
But compared to other TES games it's not, I guess a lot of the errr.... streamlining is the reason for that.

I think it's one of the best TES games.

Don't think me as one of the guys who only plays games for Graphics, cause I don't. But I would find it hard to enjoy it that much with it's graphics. But I have read up on it's Lore and story etc.. and it does sound amazing it's just too old for me

It's a great game but I regard it more as an action-adventure with RPG elements. Basically due to the lacking writing and lack of much consequence. As a game it's amazing. As a TES game meh.

Skyrim is a RPG x)
And it is a great TES Game.
I love every TES Game.

I'm certainly not one of those.

I think that it's the best TES game yet, and I believe that it - like all TES games that I've played - are the epitome of what a good RPG should be.

But... http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff52/nell2thaizzay/3192435737_6d81f4bb88.jpg

A bigger issue in that a lot of us consider Skyrim a great game...but not a great RPG, let alone a great TES.

Bethesda has progressively stripped the RPG elements from the Elder Scrolls games, and that's a lot of whats issue. We've lost attributes, brithsigns, character classes, meaningful differences between races. We have less player choices, and less variety or diversity in the characters we interact with and the organizations we can be apart of. So from that standpoint a lot of people criticize Skyrim, and have been disappointed or unhappy with it. This should be be confused with complete discontent though - I paid 60 dollars for Skyrim on 11/09/11, I preloaded it in 11/10/11, and I started playing it on 11/11/11 and did so for several weeks. According to Steam I have 165 hours invested in it, and without a doubt it was worth the money - I enjoyed the game. That said, I feel that the game could've been five times better had they stuck more to the principles they used to make Morrowind, and cared more about improving existing gameplay than trying to reinvent the wheel. These criticisms are aimed not at tearing down Skyrim, but in hopes that they build up the next Elder Scrolls so that it better conforms to our ideasl and expectations.

Having played Morrowind, Oblivion, and Skyrim now I have to say I don't get the whole "we just want an updated morrowind" thing that some people have going on.

Morrowind is a great game overall, and had a great storyline in its MQ (and side quest were great too), and it felt like a giant living breathing world (bigger than Oblivion and Skyrim put together) but it was largely empty and it took mods to transform it into something that was a bit more interesting.
It was hideously ugly, even for its day (seriously Gothic was prettier out of the box), without mods too.

Also there were lots of things in MW that were really irritating and annoying and I was SO glad they stripped out. Having to swap "hands" to wield magic or to use your weapon/shield for example was really annoying and [censored], and it made magic entirely redundant instead of just underpowered.
The Skills/Talents/Levelling system was absolutely NOT balanced, and much of it was redundant and useless also.

In short, Morrowind was storyline strong gameplay weak.

Compare that with Oblivion which was also bags of fun to play but had a horrifically bad MQ, terrible voice acting, however gameplay wise it was a vast improvement on MW which made up for its storyline short comings. Also, Ob's storyline was saved somewhat by the Knights of the Nine and Shivering Isles.

Then we come to Skyrim.

The best of the bunch IMO.

It has a really good (if not as good as MWs) storyline and writing. Good voice acting. It is pretty out of the box. And it's gameplay is solid if a little bare bones (if you ignore Magic once again being horrifically underpowered).
I have criticisms of it, of course I do, but overall out of the three I reckon its the best when you consider EVERYTHING taken together.

And when you compare it to it's nearest rivals in the RPG genre? Dragon Age (No longer RPG, now RPG-Action Hybrid), Mass Effect (pretty much completely dropped its RPG elements, oh and WORST. ENDING. EVER.), The Witcher (brilliant storyline, interesting NPCs, horrific gameplay, terrible UI), and Kingdoms of Amalur (cutesy graphics, giant repetitive empty world); only KoA comes close to touching it.

Compared to Skyrim Morrowind is a very static game world. The player has to do all the work in order to unearth the game. The graphics are fine once you adjust; but the animations are poor and take a bigger adjustment. I would say the first two Gothic games hold up better; but I still do like Morrowind and I got a lot fun hours out of it.

Easy answer - hardly any good WRPGs ever make it to consoles anymore. Ergo - slim pickins.

When you compare SKyrim to Dragon Age II, it's no contest. DA2 is complete and utter garbage in terms of gameplay and set design.
What else is there? Mass Effect? ROFL that hasn't even been an RPG since ME1. KoA: Reckoning? That's a god of war clone with RPG coat of paint. Dark Souls? JRPG.

It's like being a Boxing Heavyweight champ. Yeah, you're the camp, but you've dispatched nothing but a steady string of chumps. There is no real contender.

Skyrim easily best WRPG of the year. But it will never compare to a great game like Morrowind +expansions.

Fallout 3, easily best post apocalyptic RPG that year. What was the competition? Nothing.

It's like Madden 12 being the best NFL football videogame in 2011.

By example, I'm of a differing opinion.

I've played since Daggerfall, and I see each game as a natural and well planned out evolution of not only the series, but of the aspects of the game that make an Elder Scrolls game what it is. The "streamlining" isn't nearly as bad in my opinion as some gamers make it out to be, and we haven't really lost as much as we've gained as the series has evolved. I do honestly believe that each game is better than the one before it, and I highly look forward to not only DLC for Skyrim, but also The Elder Scrolls 6 as well.

Out of all of the games in the series, I hold Morrowind as my personal favorite, but that is partially due to the very strong stories in that game as well as the fact that the Dunmer are my favorite character race.

But over all I like the direction that the series is moving in with each separate installment, and I think it has a very bright future ahead of it still.

That's an excellent summary; and I would agree with your estimation of the three games.
Have you tried Two Worlds. I find the first one engaging enough; havent tried the second.

Yeah I would give Morrowind a shot but I think my laptop won't like it, because I bought the original fallout to try it out and my laptop didn't like it. It was too old. And my laptops mouse-touch-thingy-maboby has this strange zoom in zoom out feature, like on the IPAD. It makes it impossible to play any games on PC, then again Morrowind is on original xbox so it may work on the 360, some games do.

I don't know.

I am of the opinion that Oblivion was worse than Morrowind, at least until Bethesda did a saving throw with its DLC and Expansion.

I agree though that Morrowind easily has the best storyline/writing of all of the TES games; and the most memorable atmosphere.




Thank you.

No I have not.

I was interested in Two Worlds but I haven't heard good things about it so I refrained from buying it. Wish I had waited with Mass Effect 3 LOL.




It isn't that old.

You should get it running okay; also I got Fallout 1 running on Win 7 nae bother lol. So there are ways to get it going if you check about.

The 360 is completely backwards compatible. I still have my original Xbox copy of Morrowind and it plays just fine on the 360. So don't worry about that. If you are looking for a copy of Morrowind for the Original Xbox... might I suggest Vintage Stock? Gamestop hasn't sold OXbox games in years, so VS would be your best bet there.

What is a Great TES Game? Morrowind and daggerfall?i think every TES game is great,Started playing daggerfall and it is amazing,but still playing skyrim