Are you able to get into Daggerfall?
I have only seen in on youtube and the graphics and mechanics look pretty grim.
I read the towns and quest are procedurally generated and repetitive...?
What say you?

You practically live in Skyrim, if you're from Scandinavia like your 'Location:' slot says.

I've been having trouble getting into what with the dated graphics, but the actual gameplay mechanics are very good.
The quests, aside from the MQ, are procedurally generated, but they help you advance your reputation within your guild and other NPCs, and by advancing within a faction because of your reputation, you get certain 'perks.' The land is all procedurally generated for the most part. It's not super fun to explore because the gameworld seems pretty empty, like it's so huge that you can walk in any direction for an hour and never find anything. But there's actually a ton of locations you can go to, it's just that you pretty much are forced to use fast travel to get to them. The dungeons are cool but you can get lost in them really easily and it can take a few hours to clear one out and find what you're looking for if a questgiver sends you there. I really like Daggerfall so far though, if you can get past the graphics and procedural generation I'd check it out if I were you.

Thanks It's definitely on my list.

all these people say its not a good tes game but i say that if it has the name TES its the greatest rpg and TES game ever

For me, Skyrim is both a poor RPG and a poor TES game.

- It's a poor RPG because character development / progression is so horribly lacking. Instead of creating a uniquely defined character, it just feels like i'm creating a customizable avatar for myself to run around the gameworld as. There's a distinct lack of meaningful choices, combat feels more based around player skill than character skill, and it rarely feels like my character (not me, the player) can fail at anything.

- It's a poor TES game because of the above, because of all the streamlining, because of the increased hand-holding, and because of a number of other poor design choices (like forced third-person finishers). To put it simply - Daggerfall felt like it was made specifically for fans of first-person dungeon crawler RPGs. Morrowind felt like it was made for fans of first-person open-world RPGs. Skyrim just feels like it's made for anyone with a console or gaming PC. It tries so hard to appeal to everyone that the end result is an inferior open-world RPG that really doesn't improve upon many aspects of the series besides visuals.


That said, I still think it has enough going for it to be considered a decent game. Exploration is enjoyable once you turn off the immersion-killing HUD, and that alone can keep me busy for a good 100 or so hours. Then of course there's the huge modding potential.

Hehe Yeah i live in scandinavia,Northern Sweden,But have been a fan of nords since bloodmoon expansion to morrowind.

Skyrims a Great Game, I don't care for the Term RPG, since Skyrim is as RPG as Saints Row, as a TES game IMO its poor. as a Game its awesome and for new comers its the best thing since slice bread since there really aren't any games recently released like it now.

But as TES game no I think its pretty, Poor, and RPG is just a buzzword now. and as a game its a massive success.

I don't think Skyrim is a great RPG, though I think it's a great game. I wrote a long article about it last week:

http://j-u-i-c-e.hubpages.com/_esforum/hub/Is-Skyrim-a-Role-Playing-Game

I also don't think it's a bad Elder Scrolls game. I don't think any of them are really all that much better or worse than any other ES game, though they are certainly different and offer different experiences.

i'll definitely read your article: thanx for the link. but, i want to post this before reading it.

but, off of your post i definitely agree. it's not a great rpg, but, it's right up there in my top games.

as well, i don't like to judge the tes games against each other because they ARE all so different. i loved playing each of them as they came out.

i judge a game, skyrim in this instance, against what i think makes it good and bad. and, the bad in skyrim can either be easily fixed, but, wasn't or won't ever be fixed and, therefore, i don't like the direction it's headed.

the technology and the great things of past games were available for gamesas to use, get creative with and advance, but, instead, the game was simplified and whittled.

I dont understand why people think its a bad TES game but a great game.
Thera are long time players that think skyrim is a great TES Game.

There is a mod for better graphics on the computer

are you saying that you've read mine and other peoples' posts in this thread and others and STILL don't understand our logic and rationale?

I read your article and it was a pretty good synopsis of the debate and an in-depth look at what makes an RPG an RPG. I especially like how you emphasized that in a true RPG your character's ability should matter more than your own reflexes/skills/whatever as a person. However, I think the article was also a bit too long as well. People like you and I who have already formed opinions, and know most of the arguments can breeze through it intuitively, grasp most of the concepts, and absorb any new ones we might not have been aware of quickly. On the other hand, people who are just reading it to be informed or get some idea of what the debate is about could get lost in the minutiae of the different types of Agencies, what they mean, and how they relate to Skyrim. So you may have written a little too scholarly and a little too lengthy for what I assume your target audience is.

Skyrim's a great game but a terrible RPG and also a terrible Elder Scrolls game when compared to it's predecessors. I like Skyrim but I still prefer Oblivion, I don't know why must be the nostalga.

Skyrim is an excellent TES and RPG game. But people saying Skyrim is poor as a TES game and an RPG game like if it was a fact are wrong, that is all a matter of opnion, it's like saying blue being better than red is a fact.

Have you read this guy's article?

It isn't all quite a matter of opinion. There is actually some factual basis in saying that Skyrim is less of an RPG than its predecessors.

i disagree completely. when 2 people want to debate a subject they can agree upon certain criteria, groundwork and definitions.

if you disagree with those aspects that the article establishes you would then provide your own counters and their rationale.

basically, are you saying that there isn't a difference between rpg-character based elements and player-based ones?

I think it's a great open world game, a mediocre RPG, and I only played Oblivion for a while and none of the older TES games, so I can't speak to how great a TES game it is.

I think it's overall the best TES game .

Interesting view....but surely 'terrible' is a bit over the top?

since, it has very little rpg-character based mechanics i barely label it a rpg.

to rate it 'terrible' would aptly apply if gamesas portrayed it as a rpg.

did gamesas do so?

I think Skyrim is both a great RPG and a great TES game.
I think it is a return to form for the TES series....but several levels higher then previously attained.
I got a lot of fun out of Morrowind once I had gotten used to its static game world and awkward mechanics. I think the weirdness of the world and its inhabitants or inmates added a lot to the fantasy allure; as well as the complex dystopian and dysfunctional social and political story woven into the world.
I was never able to fully immerse into Oblivion. The dozen voice actors doing all the voices got to me. The scaled levelling. The general design and look of the armor sets etc. The world way too pretty and bland; like a stroll through a pleasant parkland. Morrowind's world was much more interesting than Oblivion's to me.
Skyrim is my favourite TES game thus far. I don’t miss the awkward levelling mechanics of the earlier games. I found the micromanagement of levelling to be a chore and immersion breaking. So I don’t have much sympathy with the nostalgia about attributes and such.
Skyrim is an improvement all round – in my opinion. In fact I think Skyrim is a remarkable achievement in gaming; and the world of gamers seems to have voted as such with their wallets.
I’m often bemused by the extremely negative reactions of some players on these forums...way off the scale of reason....and obviously deeply emotional....as if Bethesda has betrayed them personally…what do they expect from a computer program....their own personal bespoke nirvana? In fact Bethesda has given them that possibility by making the game completely moddable. There is something profoundly spoilt-child-like in the venom I have often read on these forums.
I always try to adapt to the world and system a game studio creates. For me it is an exercise in immersion and imagination; and that is part of the pleasure of gaming for me; to be taken out of my real world; and be presented with a learning curve and a fantasy world to explore.
Maybe some people lack the capacity to adapt and immerse and imagine. If I hated the game and Bethesda as much as some people seem to I would just move on to another game…and another forum.
Thanks to all who shared their views on this thread

'terrible' excuse/reason

I think...

no... wait..i've better things to do probably now...

p.s. apart from joke,Skyrim is a great action/adventure game with some rpg element in my opinion,not a Rpg