This thread is so wrong on so many levels.


The topic should have simply been about HOW DOES CRYTEK plan to use the six usable SPEs that are in the PS3 CPU? What are they planning to offload to the SPEs to help the performance of the PS3 GPU? Does the BD format aid in data streaming at all?


Instead we get a whole bunch of PS3 vs. 360 mumbo jumbo about how either 5 year old technology is better than the other.


I've got a question.

With the game due to release within 6 months why have we seen NO GAMEPLAY FOR THE PS3 VERSION OF THE GAME?!?

I agree wholeheartedly. It is certainly disturbing that the PlayStation 3 version hasnt had a single video on it. For all we know, the PS3 cant even run the game at 5fps right now due to its notorious coding problems it gives to multiplatform developers. :O

Actually they did show footage of cryengine 3 on the ps3. But god knows why no crysis 2 footage is being shown on the ps3... actually neither the pc. So far footage was shown only from the xbox.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqa4RkVpDvs
also here is a little comparison video of ps3 vs 360 vs ps3 using cryengine 3 for all versions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s50zRxny5iw&feature=related

I thought that the 360 and PS3 versions would be identical...PS3 is going to be better looking/running?

I thought that the 360 and PS3 versions would be identical...PS3 is going to be better looking/running?

Doubtful.

Unless CryEngine can truly use the SPE for handling some form of AA, I think the PS3 will be super close in performance and look to the 360...but I think the 360 may be EVER SO SLIGHTLY the better running/looking version.


FYI...there has been PC footage of Crysis 2 on youtube.

I thought that the 360 and PS3 versions would be identical...PS3 is going to be better looking/running?

Doubtful.

Unless CryEngine can truly use the SPE for handling some form of AA, I think the PS3 will be super close in performance and look to the 360...but I think the 360 may be EVER SO SLIGHTLY the better running/looking version.


FYI...there has been PC footage of Crysis 2 on youtube.

Why would you think that? Crytek said that the cryengine 3 is better looking on the ps3 than the 360. Also have you seen my post with the videos? Crytek said that they are going to utilize the full power of both the cell and gpu of the ps3. Also maybe crytek will utilize the cell for aa. Don't forget ps3 has better memory than the 360 xdr vs gddr3. Also the edram is useless for higher resolution games so I wouldn't count it too much.


also here is a little comparison video of ps3 vs 360 vs ps3 using cryengine 3 for all versions

I thought that the 360 and PS3 versions would be identical...PS3 is going to be better looking/running?

Crytek has said that because the PS3 has BluRay, they will utilize it causing the PS3 to be the better looking of the two.

well all I know is that the Cryengine 3 can utilize all 8 (?) cores of the PS3

well all I know is that the Cryengine 3 can utilize all 8 (?) cores of the PS3

No not all 8. One is reserved until a busted spu occurs and another one is for the os that leaves us with 6 and yes crytek utilizes all 6 of the spu's

If anyone saw what I posted,discard it,I only saw the first thread here.

So now that i saw everything, let me answer your question Agumnivek:

First of all,congrats on choosing PC!
Second,Alienware,DO NOT GET IT.

Search around for a bit,have a spending limit and choose you hardware by that limit.

What I would suggest is an I7 CPU and an Nvidia GTX 470/80.Pretty much the best PC both on power and money.
BUT,if you add ram(4GB?) a mother board and CD/DVD drive,hard disk,it'll add up some more...
I do not know the exact price,since its different in every country,but it's really worth it,and I am sure it'll last for at least 3-4 years as a gaming rig.Im going to get these in about 6 months,when the price will drop.

I thought that the 360 and PS3 versions would be identical...PS3 is going to be better looking/running?

Crytek has said that because the PS3 has BluRay, they will utilize it causing the PS3 to be the better looking of the two.

Where is the logic in that?

Only because the blue ray offers more space.. it doesnt mean you will see a better looking game. Okay you could use bigger textures and stuff because there is more space for that on this medium. But the problem is that the ps3 hardware has to work with it.
In Crysis 1 i remember a single grass texture having the size of 1024x1024. That would be a no go on the ps3. Expecially when youre going to build a forest with many textures as big like that. Fot these textures you need a lot of memory, which the ps3 cant offer. The only option would be better res. for movies on the ps3 version. Because there wuold be enough space left. But i doubt there will be many movies in C2

I thought that the 360 and PS3 versions would be identical...PS3 is going to be better looking/running?

Crytek has said that because the PS3 has BluRay, they will utilize it causing the PS3 to be the better looking of the two.

Where is the logic in that?

Only because the blue ray offers more space.. it doesnt mean you will see a better looking game. Okay you could use bigger textures and stuff because there is more space for that on this medium. But the problem is that the ps3 hardware has to work with it.
In Crysis 1 i remember a single grass texture having the size of 1024x1024. That would be a no go on the ps3. Expecially when youre going to build a forest with many textures as big like that. Fot these textures you need a lot of memory, which the ps3 cant offer. The only option would be better res. for movies on the ps3 version. Because there wuold be enough space left. But i doubt there will be many movies in C2

Well don't ask me how, its what Crytek stated.

Well don't ask me how, its what Crytek stated.
lol source? I dont think Crytek would make that big of a public technical error... And I doubt the game is going to need 50gb to hold all the files. The only way that would be logical is if C2 uses textures that are too-high rez for a single DVD to hold in combination to the game itself. In that case they could compress them for the 360 and use Bluray for the PS3, and just use 2 DVDs for PC or whatever.

However, I REALLY doubt that. Crysis ONE has some of the highest resolution textures available (2048x2048), and ALL the textures combined are less than half a gig.... So I doubt thats the case. In C1 there are also THOUSANDS of models, yet they also take up less than 1.7gb.

So thats maybe 2.5gb tops for models and textures. Shaders are literally in the dozens of Mb so that doesn't make a difference... Honestly there is no logical reason for the bluray to offer higher quality games. Movies, sure, it can hold more data so the fore higher-resolution frames... but a game is rendered in real time....

Talon did I just future quote you? How the...

Obviously you're bringing Crysis 2 out across the platforms. How much of a difference is there on console compared to PC?

So between the consoles there won't be much of a difference. Probably, I can't tell exactly yet but... probably you'll have some improvements on the PS3 for that matter, but this might be because of the Blu-ray itself. Overall it's not very noticeable. I think the PS3 and 360 version will be very similar or the same.
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=266739

:)

Crytek disagrees with you Shark974, and seeing as how they're actually developing games on both consoles; having to know the limitations of each console.... you can be pretty sure that they know more about the subject than you do.

Obviously you're bringing Crysis 2 out across the platforms. How much of a difference is there on console compared to PC?

So between the consoles there won't be much of a difference. Probably, I can't tell exactly yet but... probably you'll have some improvements on the PS3 for that matter, but this might be because of the Blu-ray itself. Overall it's not very noticeable. I think the PS3 and 360 version will be very similar or the same.
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=266739

:)

EDIT: What the heck is with the post placement? I posted after Shark, yet the post placement does not reflect that? Are these forums broken?

Talon did I just future quote you? How the...

Hehehe. ^-^

PS3 is not more powerful than 360. Many games show this, latest being Black Ops which runs much faster and also higher resolution 360 than PS3.

If you are expecting PS3 version to be better than 360 version of Crysis 2 you will be disappointed as always. 360 version will be superior. 360 is more powerful than PS3 although difference is slight.

PS3 is not more powerful than 360. Many games show this, latest being Black Ops which runs much faster and also higher resolution 360 than PS3.

If you are expecting PS3 version to be better than 360 version of Crysis 2 you will be disappointed as always. 360 version will be superior. 360 is more powerful than PS3 although difference is slight.

Crytek said they were getting more performance out of the PS3 than the Xbox, besides Black Ops was a poorly optimised game anyways, there have been a number of bugs confirmed for the PS3 version and funnily enough the PC version aswell. The Xbox generally looks better for multiplatform games simply because the Xbox's GPU is better than the PS3's, and it is easier to develop for the Xbox than the PS3. However the GPU doesent necessarily dertermine the power of a console, the CPU does, and as most of us know the PS3 has a far more powerful CPU than the Xbox. When games are developed specifically for the PS3, they are graphically remarkable in terms of console standards, and look better than any Xbox title in general. Simply put, most developers (not all) dont want to spend the extra time and money to fully optimise their games in favor of the PS3's capabilities, as they see it as not very cost effective.

PS3 is not more powerful than 360. Many games show this, latest being Black Ops which runs much faster and also higher resolution 360 than PS3.

If you are expecting PS3 version to be better than 360 version of Crysis 2 you will be disappointed as always. 360 version will be superior. 360 is more powerful than PS3 although difference is slight.

Uncharted 2 and killzone 3 blow your idea right out of your ass.

However both of them pale in comparison to the mighty crysis 1 on PC at very high. If you disagree, you haven't played all 3.

You also have to take into consideration that Black Ops lead platform was the 360, so that's why there are many bugs in the PS3 and PC version. It was bad porting at the end of the day.

Killzone 3:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Fewg5B7nZg&hd=1

Xbox 360 crysis 2:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=galgKO4tCog&hd=1

Pc crysis 2:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s740C4S-0T8&hd=1

I can't find any direct pc crysis 2 gameplay footage on youtube or any direct playstation 3 crysis 2 gameplay footage on youtube either so im using killzone 3 to represent playstation 3 & if anybody has a problem with it sue me that's all i cound find to do the comparison with which it is how im choosing to respond to this thread's question & if you can't properly figure out what im driving at then it's not my problem either.

Killzone 3:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Fewg5B7nZg&hd=1

Xbox 360 crysis 2:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=galgKO4tCog&hd=1

Pc crysis 2:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s740C4S-0T8&hd=1

I can't find any direct pc crysis 2 gameplay footage on youtube or any direct playstation 3 crysis 2 gameplay footage on youtube either so im using killzone 3 to represent playstation 3 & if anybody has a problem with it sue me that's all i cound find to do the comparison with which it is how im choosing to respond to this thread's question & if you can't properly figure out what im driving at then it's not my problem either.

Indeed, crysis 2 on PC will look far better than anything on ps3, since crysis 1 already does ^^ but ps3 is easily second best when used properly. But it's too hard to code for properly, it's like having a fanastically powerful engine in your car when you're using slicks in snow. Sony made a huge oversight and have suffered in that respect. Still, the games built up entirely for ps3 do look better than the xbox. They don't, however, look anywhere near as good as a true PC game like crysis. It doesn't matter how much power the cell processor had 5 years ago, even compared to something as mid range as a gtx260 it's just nowhere near as good.

I didn't even need to look at the videos because i already know what crysis 1 very high looks like and what killzone looks like (because y'know, i've actually played them all as they should be played, anyone claiming 'zomg crysis gfx are baaad' only ran it on medium at most). The former is far superior (not to mention a far better game overall, i found killzone to be extraordinarily boring overall).

If I remember correktly, games are only 8 or so GB and the rest of the blu ray disk is filled with uncompressed audio/high quality video. As for power, I couldn't imagine there being any more of a difference than the PS3 version running a little smoother in intense action and maybe looking a tad bit crisper when comparing the two side-by-side.

Pretty much, the ps3 can't use bigger textures due to (more than 360 incidentally) limited vRAM. However, due to blu ray it can store more of them so a game can get away with not reapeating textures across levels so much.

The best indicator, as always, of the size of games is the PC since there's no format storage fanboys to appease but still (effectively) unlimited space. They they make a game and size is an afterthought. Therefore we can deduce that games are around 8-12GB atm without losing all the textures ect. which is still too big for standard dvd's.

Pretty much, the ps3 can't use bigger textures due to (more than 360 incidentally) limited vRAM.
Actually, the PS3 has 256MB of vRAM on the RSX and 256MB of XDR system RAM. It can also pool up to 224MB of system RAM, shared from the CPU (total of 480MB for video). The 360 on the other hand has a dedicated 512MB of GDDR3 system RAM and 512MB on the Xenos GPU.

lol so many words for discussing such a small difference, and apparently no one knows which console is the best xD