Zelda vs. Skyrim for GoTY

Post » Tue Dec 06, 2011 8:17 pm

I HIGHLY disagree with your entire post. While yes a lot of stuff in Zelda is in fact recycled it has something that very few games have this day and age. It's FUN. The fact that Nintendo takes 5 years to make a new Zelda instead of CoD's 1 year is bad? Your actually comparing CoD to Zelda? Cod being the game that is EXACTLY the same game year with new guns? Zelda games add something new in each game, ranging from different graphically styles (Wind Waker) to controls (Twilight Princess for the Wii).

Now don't get me wrong Skyrim and Zelda are in my opinion both amazing, and personally I think the idea of GOTY is stupid in it's own sense, but I am just trying to get across the reasons people tend to like Zelda. Oh and 2 more things.

1. Zelda in my opinion has always had amazing combat, and it hasn't changed for me. In my opinion TES games combat all around is just........meh.

2. Mature themes is not always needed in games, you can make an AMAZING game without it and in same games it just doesn't fit.



Yeah man, comparing CoD to Zelda for the exact same reasons that you listed here. It's the same game with every installment, but in essence, it's worse than CoD because it took Nintendo so long to pump out. I'm supposed to be excited over an Orcarina of Time remake with motion controls?

Sure the combat in Elder Scrolls could be better, but the ways in which you can tackle each situation differ extremely - so many schools of magic - 1h, 2h, block, archery. Come now, tell me there's more variety in any zelda game.
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Post » Tue Dec 06, 2011 7:31 pm

Zelda stopped being Zelda for me, personally, when Twilight Princess came out. Just didn't feel like a Zelda game to me.

Skyward Sword is probably awesome, but not Zelda.

Skyrim, however, is TES through and through. For me, Skyrim wins.

Of course, it's hard to compare a fairly hardcoe RPG (in an age of Mass Effect 2's and Fables, mind you (not that I didn't enjoy either of those)) to a straight-up action-adventure title, beyond the obvious similarities (swords-and-sorcery, dungeon-crawling, etc.)
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Post » Tue Dec 06, 2011 7:55 pm

The protagonist of Oliver Twist being a child, clearly makes the book a shallow entertainment for children.

Ditto for books like The Kite Runner, and many others.

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Oliver Twist has much darker themes than Zelda, is well-written, and timeless. This is why you don't see 5 year old children reading Oliver Twist, but every brat and his friend will be getting Zelda for the Wii. Inept comparison.
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Post » Wed Dec 07, 2011 12:11 am

Why do you care about another person's opinion on GOTY? (even if it's poll based, you make up <1% of that vote)

If you like Skyrim more, that's your GOTY. If Duke Nukem Forever was your favorite game of the year (used that as an example due to the low reviews on it), then it's your GOTY.
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Post » Tue Dec 06, 2011 8:34 pm

Nintendo games always gets inflated scores, simply do to nostalgia. Many people grew up with games like Mario, Zelda, Donkey Kong, etc. So they tend to over look any faults the game may have, because they grew up with that franchise. Super Mario Galaxy also got a lot of perfect scores. I picked it up for my Wii, and played through it once, and thought it was okay. No where near as good as many of the reviews made it out to be.
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Post » Wed Dec 07, 2011 12:20 am

Oliver Twist has much darker themes than Zelda, is well-written, and timeless. This is why you don't see 5 year old children reading Oliver Twist, but every brat and his friend will be getting Zelda for the Wii. Inept comparison.


It would be good to pay attention to the quote I was responding to.
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Post » Wed Dec 07, 2011 11:22 am

Zelda svcks, get over it.


I'm not a Zelda fan, my girlfriend is, I'm not.

And that had nothing to do with what I said, at all. Try again.
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Post » Wed Dec 07, 2011 5:33 am

I've never felt attached to characters in the Elder Scrolls, ever, in any game.

Every Zelda since OoT has made me feel attached to every character from Epona, to random citizens of the Castle Market Place.

Zelda games, despite some of them having "kiddish" graphics are some of the most emotionally straining and satisfying games you can play.
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Post » Tue Dec 06, 2011 7:41 pm

From an objective point of view? Do you even know wtf that means?


Well, let's look at it this way....

You say Zelda is always a rehashed story, but would anyone here seriously call Skyrim's story award-winning? Fighting dragons isn't exactly an original idea, the factions don't really have original ideas either. Hell, I dunno how many people have beaten the main quest yet, but prepare to be disappointed. In that sense, I think Zelda would have to try pretty friggin' hard to have a worse story, and for some people, story IS everything. Every game is doomed to get boring with time, but a good story will last you a lifetime. Skyrim doesn't have such a story.

Maturity =/= better. You're basically saying Skyrim is better because you can decapitate people.

Combat being better is completely subjective. I haven't played this Zelda game, but if it's similar to Twilight Princess or any of the others, then Zelda combat would be half-brawling, half puzzles. Again, some people may prefer using thought to Skyrim's "click the mouse" combat.

If choices meant better, then Fallout New Vegas would be the one with the perfect 100 score, not Zelda nor Skyrim. That's not what happened though. :sadvaultboy:

As for the game being longer, having more content, etc etc etc, again, it depends on what people find most important in a game. If the story is more important to reviewers and Nintendo managed to make the story interesting despite rehashing it (which they DID manage with Majora's Mask and Wind Waker), then yeah, I think Skyrim is VERY lacking in the story department. If I were to rate Skyrim on story alone, I'd give it an abysmal score.



You are seriously simplifying Skyrim's story. Yeah, you fight dragons. Not original.
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However, fighting undead dragons resurrected by the God of Time who was blasted a millennia ahead through the use of a timeless scroll in order to save the world from being consumed in fire, now that sounds good.
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Post » Wed Dec 07, 2011 7:03 am

A lot of people trying to establish their opinions as fact in this thread, it seems.
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Post » Tue Dec 06, 2011 11:39 pm

It would be good to pay attention to the quote I was responding to.

That would require him to use something referred to as logic.

I'm not a Zelda fan, my girlfriend is, I'm not.

And that had nothing to do with what I said, at all. Try again.

I honestly can't believe this hasn't been closed. Its an obvious flame thread and the OP has done marvelous job at being a total [censored] to anyone who shares an opinion contrary to his beliefs.
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Post » Wed Dec 07, 2011 2:58 am

My GOTY is probably going to be Bastion.
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Post » Tue Dec 06, 2011 8:22 pm

I googled zelda and it looks like a game for little kids. How can it be goty? is this some joke? :D
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Post » Tue Dec 06, 2011 11:30 pm

I honestly can't believe this hasn't been closed. Its an obvious flame thread and the OP has done marvelous job at being a total [censored] to anyone who shares an opinion contrary to his beliefs.


Maybe the mods are laughing too hard to be able to click the lock button. I know I am.
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Post » Wed Dec 07, 2011 12:36 am

It would be good to pay attention to the quote I was responding to.


I've read it. I don't not like Zelda because it's popular, I don't like it because it's made for 5 year olds, which is the point I'm trying to make. I like Skyrim and it's popular, I like Game of Thrones and its popular. When the Dark Tower is made into film and a TV series... it will be popular, but I will still enjoy it.
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Post » Wed Dec 07, 2011 12:31 am

That would require him to use something referred to a logic.


I honestly can't believe this hasn't been closed. Its an obvious flame thread and the OP has done marvelous job at being a total [censored] to anyone who shares an opinion contrary to his beliefs.


I know, isn't it glorious?
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Post » Wed Dec 07, 2011 7:58 am

The protagonist of Oliver Twist being a child, clearly makes the book a shallow entertainment for children.

Ditto for books like The Kite Runner, and many others.

:whistling:

How can you compare this cheap junk to Martin's books?
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Post » Wed Dec 07, 2011 5:20 am

Yeah man, comparing CoD to Zelda for the exact same reasons that you listed here. It's the same game with every installment, but in essence, it's worse than CoD because it took Nintendo so long to pump out. I'm supposed to be excited over an Orcarina of Time remake with motion controls?

Sure the combat in Elder Scrolls could be better, but the ways in which you can tackle each situation differ extremely - so many schools of magic - 1h, 2h, block, archery. Come now, tell me there's more variety in any zelda game.


You fail to see the point of my post.....

But anyway, that would be an amazing point, if that was what Zelda was made to do.

Skyrim is built and hyped on the idea of how you can go anywhere you want, do what you want, and do things in a huge amount a ways. It's made to be like those old fashioned RPG's with an open world and hours and hours of content.

Zelda is built as mainly an Action Adventure game with puzzles. It's meant to be played in a story that, while being forced along a set path, is still fun and has problems you must overcome.

Both games can be mistaken for being the same types but their NOT.

What exactly has changed with Skyrim from Oblivion? More quests? New areas? Duel wielding? For the most part it follows the same path Zelda does. Every game has a base, something that makes that game....well that game. Change too much and you have an all new game and might as well sell it as such. Change too little and you have.....well CoD.
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Post » Wed Dec 07, 2011 12:42 am

I've read it. I don't not like Zelda because it's popular, I don't like it because it's made for 5 year olds, which is the point I'm trying to make. I like Skyrim and it's popular, I like Game of Thrones and its popular. When the Dark Tower is made into film and a TV series... it will be popular, but I will still enjoy it.

Something made for children doesn't make it crap. Toy Story or Harry Potter could be described as childrens films and yet there are plenty of advlts.... myself included that like them as well. Zelda is not a kids game, it's universal for all that like that style
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Post » Wed Dec 07, 2011 12:19 am

Yeah, I thought it was childish even when I was six.... as did many other people.... says volumes.


Your OP is childish. Read it again.
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Post » Tue Dec 06, 2011 8:22 pm

Eurogamer gave skyrim a 10....Zelda got a 8 from them......
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Post » Wed Dec 07, 2011 5:49 am

You are seriously simplifying Skyrim's story. Yeah, you fight dragons. Not original.
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However, fighting undead dragons resurrected by the God of Time who was blasted a millennia ahead through the use of a timeless scroll in order to save the world from being consumed in fire, now that sounds good.



No it doesn't, it sounds exactly the friggin' same!

A story should be emotional, dramatic and thought-provoking all at the same time. Nothing about your spoiler makes the story any more emotional, dramatic or thought-provoking. Skyrim's story isn't emotional or dramatic at all. Just because you SAY the world is in danger doesn't automatically make the story dramatic unless you're capable of CONVEYING the world is in danger. There's no characters to become attached to, there's no great feat, reward or victory that makes you feel good about yourself (even the final boss was lackluster) and the story is in no way thought-provoking. At least Zelda's rehashed story actually has a meaning and purpose. Skyrim's story is just....an event. Saying Skyrim has a good story is like saying a story about what I did at work last friday is a good story.
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Post » Wed Dec 07, 2011 6:08 am

Review scores From wikipedia
Publication Score
1UP.com A-[67]
Computer and Video Games 9.5/10[68]
Edge 9/10[69]
Electronic Gaming Monthly 10[70]
Eurogamer 10/10[71]
G4 5/5[72]
Game Informer 9.5/10[73]
GameSpot 9/10[74]
GamesRadar 10/10[75]
IGN 9.5/10[76]
Official Xbox Magazine 10/10[77]
Wired 10/10[78]
Destructoid 10/10[79]
Joystiq 5/5 stars[80]
GiantBomb 5/5 stars[81]
GamePro 5/5 stars[82]
The Guardian 5/5 stars[
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Post » Wed Dec 07, 2011 3:27 am

Zelda is a baby game. For little babies.

/read in Skyrim Nord's voice
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Post » Wed Dec 07, 2011 9:03 am

No vs threads :nono:
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