A person died because they willingly ingested/inhaled narcotic substances that are obviously very likely if not certain to cause death and you say I'm the one who doesn't value life?

Seems to me she's the person who didn't value life.

Ew, some of the people in this thread. Just ew.

She refused to be rehabilitated for a problem that was her responsibility, I feel enormous amounts of sympathy for people who died for unjust reasons, but rarely do I feel sorry for people who die of overdose on a substance. Unless there was a reason, such as an accidental mistake in the prescription, or if the drugs were put in the person's body against their will, then the drug user should have tried to help themselves before this kind of stuff happens. It might be us thinking life is cheap, but life is probably even cheaper for these kinds of people.

Sorry to any current or past drug users I may have just offended, it's just my opinion of the matter.

Of course, everyone is entitled to their opinion. I for one am sure your opinion has been carefully considered and soundly based on a studied knowledge of the psychological impact of substance addiction.

Well, no, it's that some of us don't care when there are other people dying directly because someone else killed them. No room to feel bad for someone who did this to themselves.. just about everyone has personal demons to overcome to survive, even if different types of them. If that doesn't make me "classy" then oh well for classiness I guess -- honesty svcks sometimes.

Nope, I never studied drug addiction to much of a degree at all. I did amounts of certain substances in high school and was able to remain perfectly controlled. Maybe some people don't have the will; maybe some are just too overcome with problems or emotion. I just know that it's possible for anybody to overcome the circumstances of drug addiction if they truly, in their hearts, wanted to help themselves. I don't know Amy, perhaps she was going to try one day to break the habit. But from what I know of these circumstances, which is admittedly only what I know from others word of mouth, she really didn't try to help herself. Could be wrong, could be right, that's just what I know.

I never said it wasn't honest. Even the most uneducated of opinions can be honest, after all.

Or excessively sincere and outraged.

The psychological impact of drugs is, to me, completely irrelevant in the bigger picture, especially on a day like today. She led her own life with her own vices, and paid the price. I don't see a need to feel sorrowful over that. Plenty of others die with no choice over it. My sorrow is with them. svcks for her.

That too.

she had a great voice..




..I wish her peace.

Didn't offend me in the slightest. As a former addict, I finally took control of my life and the decisions that I was making. I was the only person to blame for my actions. Had I passed away the way Amy did, then it would've been me who got what I asked for. People who choose to abuse illegal drugs or alcohol know the risks involved with certain drugs and choose to ignore them; thinking that Oh well, it won't happen to me, it'll happen to somebody else...and then that somebody else becomes them.

Take control of your actions, or suffer the consequences.

Please quit it with the moral superiority and the condescending attitude.

Unless someone physically forced her to take her first dose, she has nobody to blame for the addiction that ended up taking her life but herself, and plenty of addicts find the willpower to help themselves by turning themselves in to rehabilitation programs.

Find an addict who has recovered and was about to get their life back together, when they suddenly passed away for a reason other than narcotics and I'm sure I will be sufficiently depressed by the news. perhaps to the point where I might even meet your moral standards.

I couldn't agree more. I'm not a huge fan of her music and can't approve her lifestyle choices, but... well, I still feel sorry/sad for her and her family and friends. I'm not going to judge her because I didn't know her personally. :shrug:

I'm sorry that you're threatened by my sadness at blatant displays of compassionlessness. Opinions work both ways.

I'm still confused by this...who am I supposed to feel compassion for? I do honestly feel compassion for her family, I understand how painful losing someone to drugs is, I've been there. You want me to feel compassion for Amy Winehouse, but you're continually attacking my opinion that she should have stopped and sought help because drugs is a destructive path. She started the drugs, that was her decision. And her decision to not stop. A former drug addict has agreed with that. I'm not sure why you're still trying to attack my opinion.

This is obviously not merely sadness and compassion. You're attacking others for not sharing your view of it. It's nice if you're compassionate, but others deserve room for their opinions too without being condescending. At least, as far as nanny forum goes.

I'm not going to tell you who or who not to feel compassion for. I'm just saddened that a person's entire lifesworth of suffering can be casually handwaved by a group of smug strangers* sitting behind their keyboards with no clue as to what kind of personal struggle said individual was experiencing. I'm not sure why I'm surprised, though. This is the internet after all.



*Not necessarily you, or anyone in particular. Just the general ethos. It's depressing.

Edit: Since I apparently have to spell it out, I am not in any way trying to censor anyone else's opinion. I have never once said you (general you) do not deserve to express it. I am simply expressing my own in return, which is that I disagree, and that all prematurely ended lives are sad and sobering, no matter whether the victim "had it coming" or not. Freedom of speech, funnily enough, does not mean freedom from disagreement.

If only addiction were such a simple matter. Some people can do tons of drugs and still drop it at any time. Others need only do them once to be hopelessly hooked for life. It depends on a number of biological and psychological factors. Besides, Amy did try to stop, and for a while, she apparently had. She also had other issues, however, which certainly didn't help.







That only makes him an expert on his addiction, not all addiction. It is not the same for everyone.

Have you completely ignored my previous post? I know full well of the struggles that addiction brings, her profession of choice is not the matter at hand, her decision to start using and continue using drugs until she died is.

There is nothing smug about my response or opinion. This is first hand knowledge that I have taken with me after nearly twenty years of abusing alcohol and drugs. Being clean and sober for a little over five years now, I think I know what I am talking about regarding this.

Not a surprise, sadly.

I said quite clearly that I wasn't talking about anyone in particular, least of all you - I certainly didn't mention or quote your post relating to your addiction experiences. As I said, I'm referring to an attitude I've seen displayed generally around the net with regard to this matter. I'm very glad you won your battle with alcohol and drugs, and I mean that totally sincerely. Your experience, however, is only your own, and is not necessarily applicable to anyone else's battle.

unfortunate.

What is applicable is that every drug addict is faced with a choice as to whether they wish to continue using drugs or not. How I quit was by taking life one day at a time...and that is applicable to everybody who wishes to quit and have any hope of being successful. Had I said to myself 5 years ago that "I'm going to stop using drugs for the rest of my life," then I would've been unsuccessful in my attempt and gone back to using 5 years ago. I don't even want to think of where I'd be had I continued on my path.

Whatever leads people to begin using drugs and alcohol varies from person to person. No two stories can be the same, however, the struggles that those people face every day due to their choices are often similar. The path to recovery is also similar...and it starts with a choice a day to not use drugs or alcohol that day.

You might want to check out an AA or an NA meeting once and listen to some of the stories that current and former users have. They all have different stories that led them to the same place. They have a pretty well thought out system that helps lots of users to manage their addictions.

It looks like she...

*puts on sunglasses*

... doesn't need rehab anymore


YYYEEEEAAAAHHHHHHH!!!



Teasza, I don't think anyone on this entire board thinks more highly of you than I do, but here I just have to speak up. It is hypocrisy to tell people what things they should make jokes about and what things they shouldn't, and it's hypocrisy to tell people what they should or should not care about. People have been killed in Oslo only days ago, thousands of children in Africa get killed or die of starvation or disease every day. Are you honestly going to condemn a few internet folks for making jokes or being apathetic about someone who held all the trump cards and still blew the game? Are you going to defend this person? Someone who had the chance, and the means, to turn her life around, but who was content to just let it all slide down the sewer? I don't judge, but I seriously can't make any excuses for this type of self-destructive weakness, and I sure as Hell won't fault people from making a few jokes or stating that they don't care about someone who was too weak to take matters into her own hands and turn her life around.

Be mad at me all you want for this, I know you will be, but it's what I think.

You sir, deserve this :turtle:
Couldn't have said it better myself.