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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 3:37 pm

Alinor's forces:
Legions of goblin slaves to fight for them
Legions of daedric servants
Many Bosmer archers
Khajiit have sworn allegiance since the Altmer may have been responsible for Massa and Secunda disappearing
All Khajiit forces will aid them.
Can deploy the Senche-Tigers in battle (aka giant tigers that spew magic)
The most skilled war-wizards in Tamriel, able to decimate hordes of Imperial Troops
Superior weapons and armor for their soldiers
The largest Navy as Alinor is bordered entirely by sea
Not even Talos could take Alinor without the Numidium


Vs.


Man's forces
Imperial Legion (inferior soldiers)
A smaller, though adept navy
Breton Mages and Battlemages, (many in number, but usually less skilled than an Altmer)
Stormcloaks (fewer than legion troops throughout Tamriel, inferior troops)
A'klir (Redguards, the most naturally talented warrriors)
Synod, College of Winterhold, College of Whispers, Companions (Decent sized force)

Note: Can breed faster than altmer

Overall: less than what Tiber Septim had, lack of dwemer superweapon also lowers chances of winning.


Probable outcome: 87% chance of a Thalmor victory
Argonians neutral and content in Black Marsh

Cyrodils Goblins would eat the Altmer Goblins for lunch.The Altmer breed them to be tough but not too tough.Cyrodils are free range baby and tough as hell.

The dominion has no troops that are competent in set piece battles.The Khajit are not really into the whole fighting in formation idea.Plus they can be taken out of a battle by rolling a big ball of string laced with moon sugar down a hill.
The Bosmer are excellent archers but with no meatshields to keep the enemy of them they are not as effective.

And both sides could summon hordes of Dadra so to me that is a push.

so 99.99% chance Thalmor are scrod unless the Hist lickers sign on to the cause.Even then still 97% chance of being scrod
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 7:49 pm

Spawn a Thalmor justicar, spawn a stormcloak.

Repeat with Imperial. The average Thalmor wins every time.

That's why the chances of survival went down. Their weapons and armor are better, elven beats steel and iron.
Plus every damm thalmor, even the damm grunts, Use magic!!!
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Post » Mon Jun 04, 2012 2:11 am

Dragonborn. And Dragons.

Rallying dragons... that will be the Numidium stand-in. Mark my words. :smile: The Dracs certainly would have cause to take wing against the Thalmor, seeing that the Thalmor seek to end everything, even the cycle of kalpas. Heck, maybe you can convince the Graybeards that ending the Thalmor qualifies as "True Need".

Maybe arsing the Psijic Order off their butts will lend to this confederacy to combat the Thalmor.

Greybeards follow the way of the voice. That is not possible. The dragons likely are too stubborn to help, nor would they follow a dovahkiin.

And the psijics may help, after Skyrim gets smashed.
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:19 pm

Cyrodils Goblins would eat the Altmer Goblins for lunch.The Altmer breed them to be tough but not too tough.Cyrodils are free range baby and tough as hell.

The dominion has no troops that are competent in set piece battles.The Khajit are not really into the whole fighting in formation idea.Plus they can be taken out of a battle by rolling a big ball of string laced with moon sugar down a hill.
The Bosmer are excellent archers but with no meatshields to keep the enemy of them they are not as effective.

And both sides could summon hordes of Dadra so to me that is a push.

so 99.99% chance Thalmor are scrod unless the Hist lickers sign on to the cause.Even then still 97% chance of being scrod

Lore supports my claims and not your baseless desparation to refute my statements.
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Post » Mon Jun 04, 2012 3:25 am

Lore supports my claims and not your baseless desparation to refute my statements.
I have always loved goblins, can you link me a link about the Thalmor "Goblin slave army"?
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 5:24 pm

In short, we need someone better than Talos to win or even survive.
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 4:00 pm

In short, we need someone better than Talos to win or even survive.
I think we need the sloads help...
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 12:45 pm

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Altmer
Check society and religion.

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Pocket_Guide_to_the_Empire,_3rd_Edition/Summerset


Goblins are mentioned as servants of the Altmer. Enjoy the extra lore.
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Post » Mon Jun 04, 2012 1:19 am

I think we need the sloads help...
Or get the Hist to care and life will be better...

Where are the maomer?
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:42 pm

Alinor's forces:
Legions of goblin slaves to fight for them
Legions of daedric servants
Many Bosmer archers
Khajiit have sworn allegiance since the Altmer may have been responsible for Massa and Secunda disappearing
All Khajiit forces will aid them.
Can deploy the Senche-Tigers in battle (aka giant tigers that spew magic)

The most skilled war-wizards in Tamriel, able to decimate hordes of Imperial Troops
Superior weapons and armor for their soldiers
The largest Navy as Alinor is bordered entirely by sea
Not even Talos could take Alinor without the Numidium


Vs.


Man's forces
Imperial Legion (inferior soldiers)
A smaller, though adept navy
Breton Mages and Battlemages, (many in number, but usually less skilled than an Altmer)
Stormcloaks (fewer than legion troops throughout Tamriel, inferior troops)
A'klir (Redguards, the most naturally talented warrriors)
Synod, College of Winterhold, College of Whispers, Companions (Decent sized force)

Note: Can breed faster than altmer

Overall: less than what Tiber Septim had, lack of dwemer superweapon also lowers chances of winning.


Probable outcome: 87% chance of a Thalmor victory
Argonians neutral and content in Black Marsh
A few things to consider, particularly regarding those things marked in red.
1) Bosmer are VERY pacifist-minded and will not happily join in a crusade against foreign nations. This pacifism is why they get dominated time and again by shifting forces.
2) Khajiit are *not* a solidified nation and do not care much for politics. The odds of them joining the Thalmor war-machine in any sort of significant numbers are terrible. The average Khajiit cares about his tribe and the mane, but that's it. They don't see themselves as a "nation" and they don't fight for the glory of Khajiitistan or anything like that.
3) The Imperial Legion is in no way an "inferior force". As armies go, the Legion is one of the finest for open warfare. If the Thalmor would care to fight on an open battlefield, the Legion would wipe the floor with them. Which is why the Thalmor don't do that.
4) The Nords are not inferior to Altmer soldiers. In fact they're quite the opposite. Read the book "The Great War". A Nord force shield-walled the crap out of the Elves on multiple occasions.
5) I don't know exactly what you're basing that probability estimate on. It depends very much on who gets to decide the terms of battle. On a big, grassy field with maybe some trees here and there but largely open, with both forces putting everything they have into it, the humans will win. It would be different if the Khajiit and Bosmer turned up in force, but that's just never going to happen.
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 5:34 pm

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Altmer

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Pocket_Guide_to_the_Empire,_3rd_Edition/Summerset


Goblins are mentioned as servants of the Altmer. Enjoy the extra lore.
Thanks :)
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 11:27 pm

Alinor's forces:
Legions of goblin slaves to fight for them
Legions of daedric servants
Many Bosmer archers
Khajiit have sworn allegiance since the Altmer may have been responsible for Massa and Secunda disappearing
All Khajiit forces will aid them.
Can deploy the Senche-Tigers in battle (aka giant tigers that spew magic)
The most skilled war-wizards in Tamriel, able to decimate hordes of Imperial Troops
Superior weapons and armor for their soldiers
The largest Navy as Alinor is bordered entirely by sea
Not even Talos could take Alinor without the Numidium


Vs.


Man's forces
Imperial Legion (inferior soldiers)
A smaller, though adept navy
Breton Mages and Battlemages, (many in number, but usually less skilled than an Altmer)
Stormcloaks (fewer than legion troops throughout Tamriel, inferior troops)
A'klir (Redguards, the most naturally talented warrriors)
Synod, College of Winterhold, College of Whispers, Companions (Decent sized force)

Note: Can breed faster than altmer

Overall: less than what Tiber Septim had, lack of dwemer superweapon also lowers chances of winning.


Probable outcome: 87% chance of a Thalmor victory
Argonians neutral and content in Black Marsh
If they were that uber, they would have taken both Cyrodiil and Hammerfell in the Great War. Yes, invading Alinor would be more difficult, but if they can be pushed out of Valenwood and Elsweyr, it wouldn't be impossible. Especially if the Psijics were to lend aid against the Thalmor (they usually stay out of such affairs, but they're definitely no friend of the Thalmor)

As for the Justiciars, I believe they're special Thalmor, not rank-and-file Dominion soldiers.
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 12:31 pm

If they were that uber, they would have taken both Cyrodiil and Hammerfell in the Great War. Yes, invading Alinor would be more difficult, but if they can be pushed out of Valenwood and Elsweyr, it wouldn't be impossible. Especially if the Psijics were to lend aid against the Thalmor (they usually stay out of such affairs, but they're definitely no friend of the Thalmor)

As for the Justiciars, I believe they're special Thalmor, not rank-and-file Dominion soldiers.
In the embassy there's "Thalmor soldiers" and they use magic.
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Post » Mon Jun 04, 2012 1:45 am

Spawn a Thalmor justicar, spawn a stormcloak. Repeat with Imperial. The average Thalmor wins every time. That's why the chances of survival went down. Their weapons and armor are better, elven beats steel and iron.
Using the somewhat lame combat mechanics of TES5, yes. So what? If we're basing things that directly on Skyrim then Tulius is immortal and could win the war all by himself. By the way, please don't think that ebony and glass equipment doesn't exist anymore. Please don't think that there are no Orc smiths around to forge proper weapons.
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Using the somewhat lame combat mechanics of TES5, yes. So what? If we're basing things that directly on Skyrim then Tulius is immortal and could win the war all by himself. By the way, please don't think that ebony and glass equipment doesn't exist anymore. Please don't think that there are no Orc smiths around to forge proper weapons.
As I said...We have Fricken Orc Shock troopers on our side.
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 3:05 pm

Using the somewhat lame combat mechanics of TES5, yes. So what? If we're basing things that directly on Skyrim then Tulius is immortal and could win the war all by himself. By the way, please don't think that ebony and glass equipment doesn't exist anymore. Please don't think that there are no Orc smiths around to forge proper weapons.
Elven armor is superior in lore too.

Besides, Hammerfell and High Rock reduced the number of orcs a lot. That means less ebony and orcish stuff.
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 5:39 pm

As I said...We have Fricken Orc Shock troopers on our side.
Imagine A hundred orcs clad to head to toe in orcish armour...All armed with massive two-handed swords, Backed by imperial legionaries, Stormcloak soldiers, Redguard warriors, And all kinds of others.
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Post » Mon Jun 04, 2012 12:27 am

As I said...We have Fricken Orc Shock troopers on our side.

We don't have enough after what Hammerfell and High Rock did to them.
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 3:07 pm

Imagine A hundred orcs clad to head to toe in orcish armour...All armed with massive two-handed swords, Backed by imperial legionaries, Stormcloak soldiers, Redguard warriors, And all kinds of others.

We're going to have to start an orc breeding program.
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 1:35 pm

We're going to have to start an orc breeding program.
Lol, I can imagine "Orc" Breeding centers and "Provincial" parks sprouting up.
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 4:20 pm

Elven armor is superior in lore too.

Besides, Hammerfell and High Rock reduced the number of orcs a lot. That means less ebony and orcish stuff.
Elven armor is superior to regular steel armor in lore, yes. That's about the extent of it, though. Altmer are not stronger or better in combat than humans, in fact they're quite the opposite. There is also no lore suggesting that Altmer soldiers are pound for pound better or more lethal than human troops, be it Nord, Redguard, or Imperial. Using the combat mechanics in Skyrim is hardly a fair way of figuring out which kind of troop is better.

Finally, don't forget that Orcs and Dunmer, while relatively few in numbers, also aren't exactly friendly with the Thalmor. You didn't mention them before, which I find a bit strange. They're not a huge factor but they are a factor.
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 11:11 am

Elven armor is superior to regular steel armor in lore, yes. That's about the extent of it, though. Altmer are not stronger or better in combat than humans, in fact they're quite the opposite. There is also no lore suggesting that Altmer soldiers are pound for pound better or more lethal than human troops, be it Nord, Redguard, or Imperial. Using the combat mechanics in Skyrim is hardly a fair way of figuring out which kind of troop is better.

Finally, don't forget that Orcs and Dunmer, while relatively few in numbers, also aren't exactly friendly with the Thalmor. You didn't mention them before, which I find a bit strange. They're not a huge factor but they are a factor.

Whats Left of morrowind is still considered a Imperial Province,
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 11:21 am

Good post OP. I'm playing through the Legion quest line now. It's good to see the other side, but my Stormcloak is much more my character.

2.He is mentally untsable due to the fact that he was BROKEN By the Thalmor, He was tortured tricked into believing he was the reason why the Imperial city fell, He swore a oath to the the Emperor when he joined the legion, He broke that oath at least 100 times, Its stated numerous times from jarls and others that Ulfric dosent really care about skyrims independence and only wants power.
The empire threw him under the bus in Markarth, so that argument is hollow, and jarls who oppose Ulfric are gonna say what they say. I suppose the empire is fighting the war purely for altruistic reasons.
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 12:04 pm

Lore supports my claims and not your baseless desparation to refute my statements.

It was more an attempt at humor but at least one book claims The Khajit always have an escape plan from a battle so not the ideal guys to watch your back from a lore perspective anyway
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 5:51 pm

Anyway, I'd like to repeat, just for the heck of it, that Khajiit and Bosmer would never turn up in numbers to help the Thalmor. Khajiit because they just aren't that politically motivated and Bosmer because they don't actually like the Thalmor and don't care to fight wars, particularly not when there are still trees to hug back home in Valenwood.
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