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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 8:46 pm

And don't forget that japanese warriors could focus their Ki into their combat moves, while Europeans couldn't because they're godless heathens.

Ki is real. As far as I'm concerned. I've been a "crash test dummy" for it. Heh. Not with swords, of course. I don't know anything about that. But there's much to be praised about western martial arts too. You sound kind of bitter about it or something. You shouldn't be. You won't find bias from your peers at least.
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 11:51 am

Ki is real. As far as I'm concerned. I've been a "crash test dummy" for it. Heh. Not with swords, of course. I don't know anything about that. But there's much to be praised about western martial arts too. You sound kind of bitter about it or something. You shouldn't be. You won't find bias from your peers at least.

I can't see what about his post made you think he was serious.
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 3:20 pm

I didn't think he was serious. I thought he was being facetious and sarcastic.
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 11:19 pm

I found it rather amusing. :P
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 6:43 pm

i know what i'm talking about.
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Face it, the Katana is a fat, brittle blade unsuited for warfare. The edge chips easily, lack of a sword guard deprives it of plenty of defensive maneuvers and it has limited aggressive potential due to having only one edge.
Suuuure you do!
Thanks for clearing that up tho'. Cheers!
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 5:13 pm

I like 1H and I don't want to progress in the main quest because random dragons are the flattest, most pace-breaking encounters in the game, so the locations of any katanas that aren't those mentioned in the title would be appreciated. Unenchanted is preferable but anything is good.

Cheers.

Well in the main questline, right near the beginning of it..
Spoiler
When you go to the inn to meet Daphnie (i know i miss spelled her name) in Riverwood and she leads you to the secret room down through a closet, look at the weapons rack on your IMMEDIATE RIGHT. The is a Blade's Katana. It is one handed. That is the one I got, upgraded through smithing, and put Soultrap on it..

If you are past that point, you cans till go back to that secret room and find the 1 handed Katana there.. it wont go anywhere..
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 10:08 pm

Considering Discovery & co. are flooded with garbage shows like Future Weapons or Deadliest Warrior I'm not surprised.

Seriously, you're much better off even with Wikipedia than what passes as "documentary" on TV nowodays.




And don't forget that japanese warriors could focus their Ki into their combat moves, while Europeans couldn't because they're godless heathens. In fact there was no style or technique involved in European martial arts at all, they were just pounding each other with 20-pound swords(which weren't even sharpened, because why bother) until one of them fell.

Also when you pull a katana out of the scabbard it creates vacuum that can kill instantly.

True story.

Except the Berserkers.. you need to learn about them. There was a story of 1 holding off a large number of Romans. And what about the Spartans? They were European..

The "godless heathens" were much better warriors than the christian ones down the road. What about the Barbarians of the black forest of Germany? Rome was never really able to fully take Germany/Germania because of that..
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 8:37 am

I personally am not a fan of asian culture and asian armor/weaponry in general.
Looks so silly and bleh.

Gimme some good ol' chain mail and a large viking broadsword anyday! :rock:
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 1:07 pm

If this game had an 1864 U.S. Calvary Sword, My character would use it. The in game Katana is the closest to that type of weapon in Skyrim. Long thin curved swords survived well into the age of gunpowder because they follow a very efficient design. My favorite one handed sword in Oblivion was Redwave for the same reason. I also enjoyed the a certain Captains Saber from the Bloodmoon Expansion.
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 6:36 pm

The real problem here is opinion. I like all bladed weapons.. I prefer katana and Yedo. But I think rapiers and greatswords are fantastic weapons. But any sabre (curved sword) is better for slashing. Any straight blade is better for piercing. Both can do the other well, but that wasn't their original purpose.
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 3:20 pm

If this game had an 1864 U.S. Calvary Sword, My character would use it.
Yeah, I like cutlasses/sabres, too.

...and rapiers are super deadly in the hand(s) of someone how knows how to use them. :o
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 11:11 am

Is that why the Europeans developed blunt weapons, because their swords were so effective against armour? Besides Asians stoped wearing armour, once the chinese developed gunpowder, and not because their swords were ineffetive. The swords are still made today as they were made in the old days, and they can certainly pierce steel plating.
it cannot pierce steel plating. Steel plating is very strong.
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 8:48 am

it cannot pierce steel plating. Steel plating is very strong.
Well... it largely depends on the quality of the steel involved, but true: swords cannot pierce steel plate. However, they most definitely can pierce steel plate armor (given it's not an absolute solid).
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 7:56 pm

Well... it largely depends on the quality of the steel involved, but true: swords cannot pierce steel plate. However, they most definitely can pierce steel plate armor (given it's not an absolute solid).

Swords as a whole were proven ineffective versus full sets of plate armor. Only way you could do damage was to stab the joints/where there were no plates. Maces, morning-stars, and warhammers (more commonly the horse-mans hammer) were used agaisnt plate seeing as they didnt need to pierce it, they downright crushed and bent the armor in and killed the person wearing it.
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 8:38 am

Wow. Y'all left me in the dust back there a ways.... So, yeah - some of you really know your stuff. Still.... I find the "katana-type" (whether 1 hand or 2 hand) a nice graceful sword for a fem warrior. And regardless some person didn't get what I meant.... I got "there" by reading about Tarma. SHE is my ideal warrior. So that's how I view my girls....
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 10:44 pm

So I thought I'd actually help the OP rather then usurping the topic to argue about whose sword is better,

I like 1H and I don't want to progress in the main quest because random dragons are the flattest, most pace-breaking encounters in the game, so the locations of any katanas that aren't those mentioned in the title would be appreciated. Unenchanted is preferable but anything is good.

Cheers.
In Delphine's private room there is a blade's sword hanging on a weapon rack. She's part of the MQ. Now you want to avoid random dragon attacks right? I have been told that once you begin the quest A Blade in The Dark most random dragon attacks cease(they still appear at shrines and such) Until you arrive at the burial mound to complete the quest.
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 9:29 am

So I thought I'd actually help the OP rather then usurping to argue about whose sword is better,


In Delphine's private room there is a blade's sword hanging on a weapon rack. She's part of the MQ. Now you want to avoid random dragon attacks right? I have been told that once you begin the quest A Blade in The Dark most random dragon attacks cease(they still appear at shrines and such) Until you arrive at the burial mound to complete the quest.

LordV, you're a nice person! I didn't know about the "alternatives". And I just console whatever I want (or get a mod to craft it) so I didn't really have anything to tell the guy....
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 8:48 am

Maces, morning-stars, and warhammers (more commonly the horse-mans hammer) were used agaisnt plate seeing as they didnt need to pierce it, they downright crushed and bent the armor in and killed the person wearing it.
Yep. Maces and hammers had bonuses against plate armor in the original D&D and bladed weapons had penalties against them. The reverse was true of chain and scale. :tongue:

Edited for spelling.
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 12:36 pm

katanas weren't great because of the folded metal - everyone was folding metal. katanas were great because of the differential temper.
That's nothing special either. Even ancient romans used that technique.
this is why it's more armor piercing. i personally have cut through medieval armor with my katana. just because YOU can't, doesn't mean nobody can.
What kind of armor? Hide? Leather? Cloth? Paper?
You can't cut through chainmail ... you'll dent some links at best. end of story. You can pierce it, but that's something completely different.

all katanas had to stab by definition - that's why there's a hand guard.
By definition a curved sword is for slashing. I don't know why I even have to point out something that obvious. Sure, you can stab with it and it's completely sufficient against unarmored or lightly armored people. But once you have to penetrate something more challenging you are better off with something straight and pointy.

when you stab downward to finish an opponent, the handguard protects your hand from your blade. as far as piercing techniques go, japan's greatest samurai (soujiro) used a 3 attack piercing technique which was considered the strongest technique by far. soujiro was ranked 1 of all time. saito hajime was ranked 3 of all time, and also used a piercing technique. so the katana was used extensively as a piercing weapon.
no big surprise. europeans discovered that stabbing from far away is sufficient for killing unarmored opponents, which is why the development of sword forms didn't stop with the longsword and lighter, faster weapons soon dominated the duel grounds like the rapier.
japan reached 'perfection' and stuck with it.

To be fair, japan probably couldn't have made the switch to rapier-like weapons even if they wanted to, because their local iron svcked and was brittle as hell. smithing a long, thin, strong and flexible blade was simply impossible for japanese swordsmiths without importing better iron ore.
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Post » Mon Jun 04, 2012 12:15 am

Speaking as a martial artist and a fencing, err...enthusiast...katanas are great swords if your style is based on speed and grace. The western broadsword is great if you're into minimalist movement and power. To think either one is inherently superior to the other just goes to show you've never held a sword in your hands. Play nice kiddies.
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 6:30 pm

Speaking as a martial artist and a fencing, err...enthusiast...katanas are great swords if your style is based on speed and grace. The western broadsword is great if you're into minimalist movement and power. To think either one is inherently superior to the other just goes to show you've never held a sword in your hands. Play nice kiddies.

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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 8:43 pm

Speaking as a martial artist and a fencing, err...enthusiast...katanas are great swords if your style is based on speed and grace. The western broadsword is great if you're into minimalist movement and power. To think either one is inherently superior to the other just goes to show you've never held a sword in your hands. Play nice kiddies.

But some are superior when it comes to certain things.
Stabbing- european
against metal/heavy armor - european
Slashing - Katana (but only when against lightly armored or un-armored enemies)

Heck Samurai didnt even use them that much, they preferred arrow and spears. Their 'katana' were more made for terrorizing/slaughtering unarmored villagers/civilians.
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 9:14 pm

http://www.skyrimnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=3871 http://www.skyrimnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=1002

Katana (Japan), Geom (Korea), & Doa (China) rocks. Nothing ever comes close to it's craftsmanship.
I agree.
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 1:17 pm

But some are superior when it comes to certain things.
Stabbing- european
against metal/heavy armor - european
Slashing - Katana (but only when against lightly armored or un-armored enemies)

Heck Samurai didnt even use them that much, they preferred arrow and spears. Their 'katana' were more made for terrorizing/slaughtering unarmored villagers/civilians.

Not really. Samurai had some pretty decent armor themselves, and it isn't about what you can cut through. It's about how you use the blade. I'm afraid you have a pretty narrow, uninformed view of feudal Japan. And please understand I don't mean that as an insult. Again, it all comes down to style because if it's between armored opponents, you aren't trying to cut through armor. You're trying to attack the weak points in the armor.

For the record, as I stated, I'm a fencing enthusiast. I'm not particularly good. My only style focus is making sure the pointy end goes in the other man. I do however have a love for sword based combat and have spent a great deal of time researching the subject, styles, and types of swords.

To the OP, I apologize for derailing (once again) but I do believe the ones that have already been covered in this thread are the only ones you are likely to find.
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 12:27 pm

Swords as a whole were proven ineffective versus full sets of plate armor. Only way you could do damage was to stab the joints/where there were no plates. Maces, morning-stars, and warhammers (more commonly the horse-mans hammer) were used agaisnt plate seeing as they didnt need to pierce it, they downright crushed and bent the armor in and killed the person wearing it.
My point exactly... except that the back was pretty vulnerable too. Thing is, there's no point using "plate armor" in discussions about swords, because none of them were particularly effective.

Salient point someone else had tho': it's all irrelevant as far as the OP goes. I read with interest: as I'm sure thematically a character I make sooner or later would 'prefer' a katana-styled weapon.
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