They didn't have to make it frustrating if they put in a requirement. There are plenty of randomized quests that allow you to hone your skills. I would rather not join a guild and advance quickly through their ranks without at least showing some skill in some of the values that they teach or follow.

Then your ether being trollish or [censored], it like barely being able to add 2+2 and then using that knowledge are now head of the physics's department at a college thats famous for it's mathematics department., and they do it from allocation to head of the department after they ask you to do a little paper work and look for there lost computer. Oh yeah and only after a few days someone not affiliated to the college comes in and says thank for the help we'll take that computer and oh yeah your now the head of the math department when all you can do is add 2+2.

Do you understand now?

There are two schools of thoughts.

1. As the Archmage, you should be very good at magic, just like the principal of your school has to be a very learned person with years of teaching experience.

2. Your president isn't really good at what he does. In fact he isn't really good at making decisions at all. He is just really a mouthpiece for a group of think tanks which anolyzes the most profitable path for any given situation.

My personal take? No one really cares about the fancy title because regardlessly, YOU will still be the one fetch mead and stuff.

That sounds like what happened to me at school.....

An administrator doesn't need to know everything a professor knows. Do you think the US ambassador to Bermuda is an expert in US-Bermuda relations? No, he gave a lot of money to the presidential candidate.

Regardless, it's not obvious the purpose of the thread. Does the OP wish to brag about how special they are? Are they complaining that the game let them do something they didn't think they should be allowed to do? And so on. Not that I was even asking you.

You can pass the entry with a staff or scroll too.
And open the Labyrinthian doors with weapon damage elements (unless they fixed it in 1.3/1,4)

I found it similar in the thieves guild - i become guild leader while being totally useless at sneaking or pickpocketing. I just killed people instead of sneaking by them.

I can't believe they don't invoke the blood price from Oblivion. No consequences. At all..

I know, i didnt even forfeit any bonuses.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. The casual and action-adventure gamers and people who want everything handed to them would fip. The role-players and people who actually enjoy RPG's shouldn't mind at all.

Complete freedom is [censored]. I don't want my character to be able to fly around and walk through walls. That's asinine. Even in this fantasy setting, we're still mortals and we're still bound by the rules of the world we inhabit (in a sense). An insitution that values magic above anything else appointing someone who has only ever cast a single spell as their leader makes as much sense as the developers allowing the player to turn into a dragon, join Alduin, pillage some villages, and fart in Delphine's face. It just doesn't make sense. None at all.

The world has to be believable, and I'm sick of all you guys who just want a sandbox to play in. Skyrim is an RPG, first and foremost, and I think it's [censored] that they're heading in this direction. They had it great in Morrowind, but whatever. Apparently money makes the world go round, and Morrowind simply didn't make them salivate enough over their profits.

No, it doesn't. Not even close. The fact that half the population of Skyim is immortal proves that you do not have the freedom you think you do. You're still in a heavily scripted world. Sure, there is freedom, but Bethesda put it in all the wrong places. You should have to be a mage to become the leader of a mage's guild, just as you should have to be a warrior to become the leader of a warrior's guild, just as you should have to be a thief to become the leader of a thieve's guild.

for a long time i couldnt come up with a reason why either my beserker o assassin would ever do the mages guild....until it dawned on me that each and every one of my toons eventually become such magic users unknowly its scary.

not very good at flame/frost bolts/zapping---but i can shout out a fire ball, freeze someone in ice, shout a ice ball, or shout a storm into excitence that hits everything with lightning
dotn have the amount of magic to summon a flame antriach or such BUT i can shout and summon a sovengarde hero or hell even a freaking dragon

i can go on, i can become the arch mage the BEST mage because well what other mage can shot fire balls and slice ya in half with a broadsword at the same time?

dragon shouts do the same thign if not better than the magic spells int he game.....does same thing BUT better? ya works for me.





yes i know its abroken philosphy but for soemone who dosent play a mage and kinda being forced into the mages guild along with the thieves guild, just like the poor dark elves in windhelm i can either go on like i always used to and freaking sigh and rage or accept the rules of this world and play the best i knwo how to with its rules and philosphys. I see it in this sense my toon can be an abnormal situation, kinda like seeing a really fat guy waldle down a hall and u and ur friends point and laugh only to find out that the dude stole u and urs friends wallets and hell ur belts right under ur nose...comon NO, but an abnormal situation can happen. again i know weak escuse but hey since im allowed oto do it, migth as well coem up with a reason to myself for why i can do it. Would really love to go back to the days when u had t actually be a certain way to even progress into the factions and such with the obsticles they set up for ya that to overcome u had to be a thief to advance in the Tg, u had to be a mage and know and be able to have the mana pool and such to cast certain required spells etc, but i think they are long gone only to be brught back by talented and dedicated modders... to all the modders out there.

They did the same thing in oblivion. I do miss the houses and factions and having to have a minimum level in skills to be able to advance in a guild in morrowind, just not the broken leveing system or the cliff racers

It is a backwards step, though about the only one, from morrrowind to skyrim.

Skyrim is fairly better than Oblivion in most aspects, however it still has a long, long way to go before it becomes the next Morrowind. Just take a look at http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Morrowind_for_Oblivion_Players page to see what we're still missing. It brings a tear to my eye every time I read it.

Oh, yeah, I guess genocidal maniac isn't my thing so I don't notice, but I wouldn't mind if you could kill everyone. Then we'd all sit back and watch the board flooded with people screaming about Bethesda ruining their game by making quests un-finishable.

And no, I don't want your arbitrary classes. Let me shape my own story thank you very much.

Or maybe they could stop making the player the leader of every guild they join.

I generaly dislike the "You must be this tall" method of advancing.Perhaps for entry and to around the midpoint of the questline, but at some point story has to trump all.

I hated the system in Morrowind.Having to grind a skill just to find out I wasn't sufficiently skilled in the arcane arts to ... collect dues.Seriously this is the pinacle of gameplay you miss?

Celan has successfully completed his Troll skill in this thread. I suspect he got a few perks out of it.

I HATED the part that you automatically join the college upon going there. There's no option to tell the guardian that you just need audience with the librarian on an important matter. Use a shout and you're admitted as a student! Skyrim sometimes reaches new levels of railroading!

Its a matter of consequences getting in the way of 'immershun'

Same here it's just stupid that you are able to become Archmage with zero magic skills. There should be at least some threshold implemented.
I still don't make one char to do all the quests. I make a Stealth Combat and Magic char and do the appropriate guilds. It just feels stupid otherwise.

Well, it's slightly better than Oblivion's one, not questwise though.

It's she, and "doesn't agree with me" =/ troll.

Anyway, back to your whinefest about how much player freedom there is in Skyrim.

1) the advancement in magical skills, at the college, is up to the individual player.

2) shouts are Dragon Magic.

3) if the archmage quest is too easy..go to the burial ruins on the other side of labirynthium

the overlords over there are sure to give you that bruised all over feeling that you are looking for.

It works, but has the unfortunate side effect of launching you off the bridge. You get made a Student posthumously.

Wait isn't that logical method of progress? you have to be better and better at your job to get a promotion? You didn't have to "grind" anything if you actually joined up with a guild that was focused on your abilities.