Update is working perfectly no problems here.

Yup, water is much better now (below the surface). You can actually see where you are going now and I haven't had any problems with discolouration on PC so far.

Actually come to think of it I love 1.5 Most noticiable improvement for me so far.

i get a lot of misses, and i see i m not alone.
Damn you gamesas, i rather have no Killcam for arrows + bug free archery than a damn killcam which activates at the wrong time + Bugged Archery

For the enchanted bows, I noticed that before 1.5.
As for the bow accuracy, I seem to miss more, it's strange but I can completly confirm it, the moving targets are a pain then again I havent unlocked the slow time perk yet.

Do not get me wrong, I love the kill cams. Everytime I get one its exhilirating. It would be cool to see some newer animations of death from the arrow such as following the arrow to the target. I havent gotten many and if this is in it I have yet to see it.

The thing is, that Slaughterfish are f*ckin annoying now! You get stuck in combat mode even when you leave the water and in order to kill it you need to get to the sweet spot of the shore, where it is deep enough in front of you, that the Slaughterfish can swim there, and not deep enough that you sheath your weapon. And all that could have been avoided by simply allowing us to swing a sword underwater, even though it might be a bit unrealistic.

@topic

Thank god there is a mod for us PC users to remove the ranged kill cams.

But I'm kind of sad, that even though they delayed the patch for consoles, the Bullseye-Perk is still bugged...

I really like the new kill cams and the water is GREAT!
However, I too have experienced the kill cam with a bow where I actually missed the target. It probably happens 1 out of 15 bow kill cam shots.

This I don't get. Is there some sort of delay between letting go on the fire button and the arrow being fired that can be considered a long time?


Get out

Well for us PC user adding the following lines to Skyrim.ini should disable them.


Yes, they are referred to with "VATS"

Nevermind, doesn't work. Propably just leftovers from Fallout.

agree. but, hopefully most can understand my point and rationale.

it's not about dying or being attacked by slaughterfish.

Frankly, from a realism standpoint, I'm glad you can't swing maces or shoot bows while submerged underwater- because that kind of activity is not possible underwater. No NPC's should be able to either, of course. Things that bite or use claws, however, should still be able to do so underwater. Some limited thrusting of pointy weapons is doable while underwater, but that would mean swords are the only viable underwater weapons, and they would do nowhere near the damage they could do while swung on dry land.

It's not only you friend...

Well with a mouse, you push the mouse button to draw. At this point the target falls to the ground paralysed for some unknown reason, so when you loose the arrow a second later, it misses. Its extra special when you then get a killcam showing the arrow missing your target, who is now getting back on his feet and running at you, while you stand there helpless until the cutscene finishes.

What I think happens (and I am no expert) is that the damage calculation for the killcam is performed the moment you press the attack button. An unintended consequence of this is that the archery perk is applied at the same time.

Temporary solution (until it can be fixed): Don't be too quick to try for the kill shot. You know there's a high chance that the paralysis, or other effect, will be triggered when the cursor is placed over the enemy, so wait.

Obviously this is a problem, but it's a temporary solution. I'm just saying I've not noticed it, or any of the problems archers have had with 1.5, even though I play an archer; but then I don't use enchanted bows. In fact, I feel that my archery has has improved. Waiting to take the shot might also reduce the misses in the kill cams

The kill cams on miss is actually pretty sweet in my book, watching that arrow just barely missing its target...

Edit: Not talking about any paralysis bug, but otherwise.

Well, with my new 1.5 ranger character I've had lots of archery killcams (the first one on the bear in Helgen cave if you can imagine...). They're nice if you're far from the target but kind of svck if they trigger when the target is closing in on you. I've only had the killcam trigger once only to miss the target, so so far not a huge issue but still a bad bug. It happened on a wolf so no biggie but if it happened on a bandit boss I wouldn't be happy.

I haven't had the paralysis issue (not planning on taking the perk) but that is really terrible...

I remember I missed two shots instead of hit when it is clearly a hit and arrow flew through enemy. Both times happened with enemy located above me (one times standing wolf, another one with falmer). Killcam triggered every time I shot falmer with no hit. Sometimes killcams triggers when enemy is in clearview, right in fron of bow but killcam do not take in mind about any barriers so you got killcam of shooting barrier.

I'm on xbox, I've updated to 1.5, and I STILL haven't seen an archery slo-mo kill shot.. am I doing something wrong or is this happening to others as well?

Install the Killmove Plus mod and set forcekillcam to 0, that should do pretty much that. If you'e on PC that is.

Oh, and set it to force all killmoves to 1st person if you don't like 3rd person specifically.

As an aside, I love the "toggle" response to everything.

With a fixed budget, nothing is going to get past the cost-benefit anolysis that would then just be thrown out by the addition of an on/off toggle.
With limited resources, you only include things that you've decided are worth everyone having. The killcams are one of them.

On this forum, many folks clamour for the addition of this or that aspect that is very near and dear to them... and when someone comes along and points out that not everyone would want this, the original requester says "make a toggle to turn it off!".
It makes me think that some folks don't get how a business works, and that although you'd like to have everything under the sun included and toggles galore, that is just not realistic. You have a budget, you have a deadline, and you try to make the best game that the most amount of people will like. To include toggles for stuff is to waste time making the toggles where you could be making other things that in your opinion everyone will enjoy.

^^^^^
Oh man. Posts like this are like fingernails on a chalkboard.

It takes 2 accountants, 3 sales people, 1 marketing director and 8 mid-level managers about 9 hours to hold a budget meeting to decide whether a toggle effect should be included or not, and whether it's within the budget constraints.

It takes 1 intern programmer 5 minutes to code a toggle effect into the game.

Who doesn't understand business?

Yep, same problems here. I mean even my very first killcam was bugged. What an update... I frequently get killcams where the arrow misses or is about to hit the target and just drops out of the air. I do however think underwater looks good. Thanks Bugthesda, great update.

There is a mod to set it to just first person? Yes! At least it will make my pc version better. Too bad for my xbox though...