I agree they could make another amulet of kings, those other trademarks that Zeni Max filed sound really interesting. Dragonborn and Hearth Fire, if those are DLC names it could have something to do with Talos and/or the Dragonborn playing a role in a major event. The hearth Fire could be about a war with the dominion again. The posibility's are endless.

You're thinking to deeply, what Paarthunax says is what Bethesda wrote for him to say, usually, that's in the literal sense.

Dovahkiin's name in lore will most likely be just that, Dovahkiin.

However, during the whole Second Era, for more than 800 years there was no emperor, dragonborn/dragonblood or not, the Amulet of Kings rested in Reman′s III tomb in Sancre Tor, and the life in Tamriel just went on as usual... Also, at least according to 2920 book series, even during the time when Reman (apparently legitimate dragonblood emeperor) was still sitting on the throne Mehrunes Dagon invaded Tamriel in person on at least two occasions, Akatosh Pact notwithstanding...
This of course just makes the lore so more rich and beautiful - it simply cannot be put into a straightjacket of any single interpretation or narrative. With regard to the OP point about dragonborn′s clain to the throne I would just poit out to this imanent contradictory or pluralistic nature of the lore. The Book of Dragonborn itself says it best: "Those who become Emperor and light the Dragonfires are surely Dragonborn - the proof is in the wearing of the Amulet and the lighting of the Fires. But were they Dragonborn and thus able to do these things - or was the doing the sign of the blessing of Akatosh descending upon them? All that we can say is that it is both, and neither - a divine mystery."

Maybe we will get a new amulet of kings and light the dragon fires... nah probably not, i dont even know where they are...

Read history of the Empire, Katariah. Dunmer Empress. You can also read the Armorers challenge, it's in there.

A few more things:

- None of the Septims were direct descendants of Tiber Septim, this means being Dragonborn is not necessarily due to birth.
- Alessia and Tiber are not related in anyway
- The Reman emperors were not related to Alessia or Tiber in anyway
- All three lines lit the Dragon Fires
- The dragon fires are no longer relevant, the amulet is destroyed. Akatosh replaced the function
- It is entirely possibly that Mankar was dragonborn as well, he is the descendant of an ancient royal line in Valenwood.
- Being Dragonborn was never important, it was being able to light the Dragonfires. Naturally a dragonborn could do that, but the point was that if you wore the Amulet of Kings you were blessed by Akatosh, if you could light the Dragon Fires you were blessed by Akatosh. This blessing was needed to save the realm from a Daedric invasion, that possibility has been stopped. So being Dragonborn is no longer relevant.
- The only way your character would have greater claim then somebody else is if either you are a Septim or if you conquer the Empire. Other options no matter how cool are irrelevant.


Simply not true, being dragonborn or dragonblood nothing matters it's all the same. How or why the blessing is given is the question. Akatosh can give it to whom he wants when he wants, it is also possible that Akatosh gives it to the people that need it, like the people that are about to light it. Or the people that really want it, this would explain people like Katariah, Tiber Septim, all other Septims and Alessia

A Dragonborn (transliterated from D.svgO.svgV.svgAh.svgK.svgIi.svgN.svg to Dovahkiin in the Dragon language) is a rare individual who has been born with the blood and soul of a Dragon, but the body of a mortal, and can naturally learn and speak their ancient and powerful tongue.


http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Dragonborn

You already do that in the Dark Brotherhood.

Piece of advice, the Wiki is pretty much the most unreliable intenet source on Elder Scrolls lore history and background you can find. I've read that article for like two seconds and I already found an error in it. If you want to use online sources go to the UESP or preferably TIL. They are both far more accurate.

Maybe it's one of those magic trick necklace locks. Twist this here and push in there and oh, now you too can wear the Amulet of Kings!

A Dovahkiin or Dragonborn is a mortal man or woman born with the soul of a Dragon, or what the dragons would call "Dovah Sos" (dragonblood).[1] It enables them to use the dragon's ability to absorb a slain dragon's soul, thereby receiving knowledge of the thu'um rather than having to learn it through practice.[2] The player is Dragonborn in Skyrim.

The first recorded Dovahkiin was St. Alessia.[3] She is believed to have had the soul of a dragon, due to Akatosh making a covenant with Alessia to seal the Gates of Oblivion. Since then, there have been many tales of heroes of the dragons' blood who would "kill dragons and steal their power".

Tiber Septim, the first of the Septim Emperors, and Reman Cyrodiil were Dragonborn, and it was believed, through the Amulet of Kings, that all of the heirs of the Septim and Reman Dynasties possessed "dragonblood". It is also suspected that Wulfharth was also Dragonborn, as he was also known as "Ysmir, the Dragon of The North", another title associated with Dragonborn also given to Tiber Septim and the the player character in Skyrim.

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Dragonborn

I wasn't disagreeing with what you said, you were right. Just thought I'd point it out for the future, the info there is often bad and it could help avoid making mistakes if you use better sources

The only claim the current Dovahkin has on the throne is the same one that Talos had; by taking it and conquering the other nations to force them to accept his/her will. Which would involve a =lot= of powers that grabbed power after the Septim line died off trying to kill your uppity backside. It would be a grand tale; the rise of another imperium......but not gonna happen. It would strip lore control out of the hands of gamesas, so.........

Now one possibility -might- be challenging and becoming high king in Skyrim.....but they would have to have you die heroically or be assassinated before the next game's timeline entry, to again keep control of lore.

My little Dovahkin doesn't want those headaches.....but also doesn't intend to stand around and watch stupid power grabbers screw things up even more. If the Moot occurs in Dawnguard, A more likely occurrence would be for the Thalmor to continue to manipulate the powers in power. And one rogue Divine blessed could do a lot a damage there...... Wildcards with power and perception can really mess up the best laid plans of mice and suicidal fanatics.

Or take a mysterious adventure to Akavir and never come back like the Nerevarine.

I wouldn't mind an Argonian Emperor named Sh**s-His-Britches.

I disagree as there is a distinction between the two. To our knowledge only two Septim emperors ever went to High Hrothgar. If all the emperors were as blessed as Tiber was (aka Dragonborn) then the Greybeards would have called them and we would have had many shout wielding emperors. We don't have that though. The only possible reason is that, while all the emperors were blessed by the Divines, not all were Dragonborn.

Regardless I doubt Bethesda will make our character emperor as they would have to make a canon Dragonborn.

No more than they've had to have a canon Nerevarine, or champion of cyrodiil. But I mean they already have a canon dragonborn. He's a nord male.

I thought this as soon as i found out we're playing a dragonborn...i thought "sweet, we finally get to rule in TES" but was denied again.

This time i was extra disappointed, not only do we have a rightful claim to the throne, but we're also in skyrim where the seat of the high king is and we save the world from alduin, proving to all that we have the blood of the dragon. As dragonborn i could call upon odaviing and other dragons to help me take the throne by force but instead i have to swear an oath to the emperor or ulfric...they could at least give us our own hold to rule over as jarl

I wanna rule as the barbarian king dammit

So as well as being the Dragonborn, Arch-Mage, Harbinger of the Companions, Listener of the Dark Brotherhood, Guild master of the Thieves Guild and The Thane of every Hold in Skyrim. The Protagonist should also be High King of Skyrim/Emperor? Haha that's Brilliant

exactly, we've already proven that we're capable of ruling all the powerful groups so why not skyrim itself?
I think once we master all the guilds, all the holds and defeat alduin, a special questline should open up where we become jarl and then call for a moot to be held in high hrothgar declaring us high king, maybe after one more test of valor to prove to all jarls that we're worthy.

ive killed a small army of about 10000 men ... numerous beasts, falmer, trolls, ect. and about 70 dragons. i can take down whats left of the empire

Yes the amulet was destroyed, but there are other ways to prove you are dragonborn. The dragonborn does have the dragonblood, as do all his/her heirs. The emperors all had the dragonblood, they just couldn't learn shouts, because they weren't dragonborn (except Tiber Septim in the Septim Line); they just had the right to the throne. As the dragonborn, you have the dragonborn and all the rights to the throne. Pretty much dragonborns have the dragonblood, but heirs with the dragon blood might not have the gift of the dragonborn, but both have claims to the throne.

It's the same empire ruled by illegitimate rulers..nothing else has changed.

The game trailer is not canon.

IIRC, the "hero" of each TES game is never identified in the subsequent canon/lore by any particular name, race, or gender. It allows each player to continue creating a Nerevarine or CoC of their choice without either going against the existing lore (in the case of older games) or being invalidated by future lore (in the case of the current game).

If the Nerevarine were identified in canon as, for instance, a Dunmer female, it would invalidate the experience of every player who never played that game as a Dunmer female. For them, the lore would become "wrong."

No it wouldn't. To paraphrase the Orc librarian in the arcaneum, "Everything is true with Elderscrolls. Even the falsehoods. Especially the falsehoods."

Being empororer or jarl would be dull anyway because i dont see what so impressive about sitting on a throne all day cause your advisors wouldnt let you leave the city without a battalion of guards