I'll never understand people's completely irrational and certainly over-the-top pure hatred for Oblivion. I swear, it's like people thought it was the cool thing to say and eventually fooled themselves into strongly believing it based on what a few others said. How is Oblivion an embarrassment? That's one of the most foolish claims I've ever seen about it. Then again, I've seen plenty. Preferring Morrowind is fine. Calling Oblivion an embarrassment is purely wrong... opinions be damned. It's wrong.

Someone who knows what's the word. :thumbsup:
Edit: But wasn't Ken the boss of Morrowind? I don't really know.

You're still wrong. Ken Rolston was the lead designer of Oblivion as well.

Selling more copies in no way relates to which one people liked more, and of those who played both, most seem to have certainly not enjoyed Oblivion more. The entire games industry grew a lot between the release of Morrowind and Oblivion, and a person doesn't know whether they like a game until they've bought and played it, so a copy sold doesn't = a copy preferred over the original. Likewise, of those who only played Oblivion, how would they know which they prefer when they didn't play Morrowind? Later Need For Speed games sold tons more than the earlier ones, but people who played both far prefer the earlier ones. Duke Nukem Forever is going to sell more than Duke3d, but everyone agrees that DNF is total garbage whereas people agree that Duke3d was awesome.

Oblivion sold more because it was released after the games industry had grown much in size, and because it was much more commercialized and promoted on the new consoles at the time. None of that suggests that people liked it more.

Probably will make a lot of money but there is risk in discarding the part of the rpg audience that wants depth and complexity and instead streamlining the game and making it more accessible. Dragon Age 2 which did exactly that (it was a lot more dumbed down than Skyrim could ever be though) didnt sell very well from the sales numbers I've seen. Sold a lot less than Dragon Age:Origins. The cod audience that Bioware went for didnt care about the game and the rpg audience hated it. At first the sales were great (mostly because of pre-orders) but they went down extremely quick after the game released. Probably because of extremely bad word of mouth and reputation in general. Skyrim looks a million times better though and I think it does fine. I still wouldnt be disappointed if it didnt though. Might make Bethesda change their direction.

"Poll"? LOL
As if these forums represent anything other than less than 1% of Bethesdas playerbase? Come on, get real. These forums mean nothing in the grand scheme of things. These "polls" get what, 300 votes? Oblivion sold what, 3 MILLION games? Lol. Less than .01%. Means absolutely nothing.

Most people regard Morrowind a better game, art style wise and story wise. It's a given. Oblivions story was bland and predictable. The landscape was generic and boring. Morrowind>Oblivion.

lead designer but with a producer that bossed him around wich made him quit the company to go lead another project because he didnt like the direction in wich the series was turning. yes youre right.

It's not so much "hated" it's more like huge expectations falling on it's face. But, the average Joe gamer-idiot could pick it up and bat things whilst moving around dead bodies into a [censored] position so it sold. I am grossly generalizing of course. If it needed lots of heavy mods to hit that right spot than you can't personally help but feel that Morrowind is a superior game, and even that had issues I thought even way before Ob was released.

Skyrim so far, seems to be hitting the gaps I felt were missed in previous titles because to me, it's doing things more to what I like in other series' I'm a fan of so I'm not too worried.

Oblivion sold more so thus people liked it more?

um no Oblivion sold more because more people knew about it, same thing with Skyrim. as far as Oblivion is concerned Beth wins the cash cow, players lose out with a game lacking all forms of replayability.

I think it also depends on which you played first. I played Oblivion then found out about Morrowind and played it. I think if I would have played Morrowind first I would have enjoyed it a lot more. As it was a lot slower from the start then Oblivion was, but I still love both games. :tes:

Why would they fire the guy who's been on the team since ARENA?

While I completely agree with you about Morrowind and Oblivion I'd say that even the forum polls have some significance. No poll or survey tries to get everyones opinion who was involved. A small group is usually enough to represent the general opinion somewhat well. These forums are a bit different from the general audience because we're more "hardcoe" fans but the forum isnt so out of touch with everything else that it should be ignored.

Interesting fact about these forums... most of the people on here, in addition to preferring Morrowind, also started with Morrowind. It's quite an expected correlation that polls have shown time and time again.

of course people who started with daggerfall are usualy now in their late 20s and have no time to waste blabering here because they most likely have families and jobs unless 99% of the people here.

The Forums don't represent the Fanbase?

there is -NOTHING- special about ANY of you in comparison to people who like TES and don't come on the forums NOTHING at all, so please come back to earth and realize that the people who don't come on the forums but like TES and yourselves are on the same planet with similar mindsets, it would be all kinds of stupid for Beth to not heed those who actually speak up.

Meh... my Morrowind copy needs even more mods than Oblivion to get it to 'feel' right to me... many of my Morrowind mods corresponding to two different Oblivion Mods.


My several-dozen Oblivion characters successfully renders any argument about Oblivion lacking all forms of replayability wrong.

your several character dont mean anything because in oblivion you can finish everything in the game in one playthrough except in shivering isle where you have a mostly meaningless choice to do.

Moved to Community Discussion.

Let's keep the discussion on topic and respectful, please.

What I don't understand is peoples irrational fear of admitting that Oblivion really wasn't an amazing game, especially when compared to Morrowind and Daggerfall.

It goes both ways. It's like the "mainstream bro" argument. So, millions of people like something, and the one person who doesn't like it calls it "mainstream" and that everyone who does like it is wrong. Yeah, uh, call me when that logic starts to make sense. :rolleyes:

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I mean, it is sad that this entire thread was simply a Morrowind >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oblivion and a "Fire Todd" thread.

Talk about creating a "Look at me, look at me" thread or what.

Not if you roleplay.

Wait....isn't the game a role playing game? Gasp!

While I agree that everything shouldn't be complete-able in one go through, there is this thing called "roleplaying" and setting restrictions for yourself via that roleplaying.

you have to learn to differianciate pen and paper rpg and video games rpg pal. because if you dont the modern warfare campaing has infinite replayability because you can pretend whatever you want.

So now you claim to know how work all the office politics work at Bethesda? It should be noted that Rolston originally left Bethesda because he was planning on going into retirement at the time.


Don't you know? 90% of people hate the mainstream.

It means I found many reasons to re-play the game. Hence, the game has replayability. Also, quests make up ~10% of the game's content... and there are a lot of little choices in the quests you can make that give the game replay value. Also, I find some quests to be against one character's ethics, but well within another's (Such as Dark Brotherhood and my Knight in Shiny Armor). And because of the quest leveling system, several quests have different risks, rewards and play-through styles for different characters. What it lacks are the cheap gimmicks that force you to go through the same content twice to see a handful of mild variations.