Majority of people didn't think so and it sold extremely well for a PC game, good reviews across the board as well. At least the studio(CDProjekt Red) who made it don't have an ego like Bethesda and Tom Howard. The Witcher 2 technically puts Skyrim to shame.

i vote NO on free dlc.

Skyrim is awesome and all of those ppl that worked hard to create this game deserve to be paid well.

Skyrim has its glitches but almost every good game out there has its own bugs too.

"Kindness of their hearts"? One day you will realize that sooner or later it will always comes down to money. Bethesdas CEOs and share holders wouldn't be very happy about free anything from their pockets, trust me. I highly doubt a DLC will be free and anything from a large company such as Bethesda is going to be free for that matter. The Patches are to keep you happy so you buy their DLCs and expansions thats it.

Don't get me wrong, I love TES. Doesn't mean I'm blind to how this world works. Dollars and cents.

Wow, people actually voting no to a free DLC, LOL. Perhaps you should send them some money as well for all their hard work. LOL

The majority also think that Skyrim is a great game, it's selling extremely well, good reviews across the board as well. See where I'm going here?

The Witcher 2, I didn't think it looked that nice. I didn't think it played that nice. The camera was awkward and the world less believable, and the visuals were good but not spectacular IMO.

Again, opinions.

Really? Do we pay them every patch?

No we don't.

Patches happen because they want to do them.

I may be reading too deep into this, but I think that someone here is afraid that if (and when) the DLC gets released, they won't have the $$$ in-time to get it. Just kidding man...

In all seriousness, they really owe us nothing. Bugs and issues are expected in a games with large amounts of data inside them. After digging into the past two ES games with the CS, I've been amazed on the total amount of scripting and data space it took... and still made the game 90% (give or take) playable. I have applaud them for pulling off such an ambitious project each and every time they release a new TES title.

But to say that the other 10% (again, give or take) that is bugged and/or broken justifies free content is a little overboard my friend.

Patches happen because if they didn't people would stop buying their products ie TES:VI, DLCs, Expansions etc. I'm sure you've seen all the frustration on the forums about how certain skyrim games are broken Main quests unable to be completed, PS3 Lag issues, Xbox freeze issues, and saves not even loading.

People will refuse to buy any more TES games if something like that continues. It's not just these forums people are complaining in too mind you. I think most would agree that the patches, in the end, are only to keep you loyal to TES so you cough up the dough come DLC / Expansion release. Thats how companies work. They don't invest that much time in something without some kind of future benefit for them.

My previous post was to point out it's not out of kindness they do things trust me.

If you want free DLC, take it up with Micro$oft and $ony. They're the ones that force developers to charge for DLC.

Also, drop the entitlement. I don't feel like we "deserve" free DLC because my game runs perfectly fine, with no gamebreaking issues in over 200 hours of gameplay.

LOL, wow, just wow, not much more to say.

No, The Witcher 2 doesn't look that good, lol http://cdn.steampowered.com/v/gfx/apps/20920/ss_f5b445cc8df274b2d0c295abe73bd96e87bf4514.1920x1080.jpg?t=1324669782

I never said it didn't look "that good". The graphics are very nice. I just said I didn't find it something to rave about, especially when there are similarly good screenshots from Skyrim and other games:

http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/649876122752219427/42E47C4EB9812B3CCD49049DC5869F32739BC9F1/
http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/649876122752271856/75E2BBE7EB9449F6A35369E30CE0FDE0579D8891/
http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/649876122752221732/00C6BB39D592939EFC3A7988FED16A6A61D72FA1/
http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/648749446906248406/AFB5709F1778E23E30D528D1A69D89FA0FF78DFA/

And that's on playable settings. It can be made prettier.

You do understand that the main quest is 100% linear (along with most of the rest of the game) and that there is nothing else that could influence it (apart from a couple NPC phrases towards the end, depending on who you side with in the civil war, and that's all). You do realise as well that it is so short that it ends before some other RPGs have even finished with their tutorials. And you do realise that the bug is simply an unpacked voice file, nothing to do with whether a game is small or big, linear or not, and thus will ALWAYS appear (at least in the pc version)
So, provided you do understand all these, I repeat: how can the QA miss THIS? I don't care if they miss the blood on ice bug or the fact that dragons sometimes are petrified in the air or other bugs in side quests - in fact, I do find many of them understandable, and the game is very much playable, since most of them are not exactly game breaking or anything. But Esbern - no, you either have at least one person play test the retail version for a few hours and see that at least the MAIN quest is working perfectly, or you just ship it as is and find out that half the main quest is bugged from the forums. Sorry, there is no middle ground, unless they were so pressed for time that they couldn't spend 1 morning to test the damn thing and 5 minutes to fix the most important bug in it...

These days, like it or not, software is a service. A digital product is a different beast than a physical product such as a car. Companies exist to provide a service to their consumers and ensure satisfaction. If they don't, well, eventually they collapse. I guarantee that Bethesda is working on a patch right now, and they're not doing it because it's just something cool to do. They're doing it to make sure the service they are providing is adequate enough to ensure current and future consumer satisfaction. Just remember that patches for very complex pieces of software take time. Especially for consoles, since the patch must be reviewed and tested by the console manufacturer itself. A patch that makes the game more unstable than the previous version is not something that is desirable by most.

You either don't know Bethesda as well as you think you do, or this is your first TES game.

Don't expect a lot in the way of patches - most issues are eventually fixed by modders.

If you think the textures and shadows look better in Skyrim you need glasses. also you said "The Witcher 2, I didn't think it looked that nice" now you're saying "The graphics are very nice"

Skyrim has pretty vistas but the fidelity doesn't come close to The Witcher 2.

Dead on. No company wants negative publicity. In the internet world of today, negative news travels fast and Bethesda would get flamed pretty hard if they knowingly dismissed their issues...

I never said anything about textures. I never said anything about them looking better. I also, for the second time, never said that The Witcher's graphics weren't that nice. I said they were good, but nothing to rave about.

My point is that Skyrim is a pretty game too. I find Skyrim more aesthetically pleasing than the Witcher.

Free DLC is always good, as is new/additional content in patches. Giveaways give good press and they add to customer satisfaction. Many publishers and studio's (like Blizzard, Bioware, CDProject, etc) do free DLC and/or add content in patches so Bethesda could do the same. Off course that doesn't mean they can't do paid DLC as well. You might even claim that enticing gamers with free DLC stimulates them to be more interested in the paid stuff.

That said: claiming you're entitled to free DLC because you ran into bugs is moot. Most games get released with loads of bugs, but that doesn't entitle you to getting additional content, if anithing it entitles you to getting your game fixed by patches.


Patches happen because their consumer base demands it. If Bethesda didn't release patches to fix things that are broken in their games it would have a severe negative effect on customer satisfaction. Plus: it would have a big negative effect on Bethesda's reputation. So not patching would cause most people to think twice about buying the next Bethesda game.

Bethesda doesn't release patches out of the kindness of their heart, they release patches to keep selling games.

You contradicted yourself and probably got what looks "nice" confused.

I haven't contradicted myself at all. Look at my posts.

It's clear that no amount of reasoning is going to get past this hatred of Skyrim/consoles you have.

Indeed.

Nope.

If ANY thing, we should give Bethesda something for all the complaining we (you guys, not me because i don't complain) have done over some human mistakes.

"The Witcher 2, I didn't think it looked that nice."

"I also, for the second time, never said that The Witcher's graphics weren't that nice."

-SomeWelshGuy

Kinda reminds me of the Rick James skit by Dave Chappelle.

"I would never rub my feet on another man's couch.
Yea I remember putting my feet on Charlie Murphy's couch."

Hahahahaha