I'm just getting used to BAIN now. I may add this back in later. It was the registry files that caused that problem. I'm still not sure why my skyrim.esm and update.esm files went AWOL sometime between 4:30 p.m. and 6:30 p.m. Friday.

Can't help with the file disappearance - no ideas.

You may find my BAIN Tools (BAT in sig) useful if you're building BAIN packages - if nothing else, the Help file has an illustrated "walkthrough" section that you may find useful.

Thanks for the info.

BOSS Userlist Manager Version 6.1.7 Released
Fix to a bug that results in a truncated Masterlist (only in BUM - nothing wrong with the file) - Skyrim users should install this version as soon as possible.

Features and Fixes

• Corrected /* .... */ comment line processing
  
• Repackaged common libraries as DLLs..

I just grabbed your latest update. After installing it, and running BOSS, launched BUM. The masterlist displayed inside your mod is dated 3 days ago. The date of the lasted masterlist is today. Any idea what I might have done wrong.

Just looked at mine and it is showing today's date for Revision 4218.

BUM gets the date from the Masterlist.txt file, so I am not sure what is happening on your system. Have you grabbed the latest Masterlist update and, if so, are you still seeing the error?

I have no idea. I just ran BOSS again, and then launched BUM and still get the masterlist from April 13. The only thing I did differently when I installed BUM was install directly on my C drive instead of in Program Files.

The location that BUM is installed in should make no difference - BUM does not write anything to the location in which it is installed.

Glad to know that it is working OK for you now.

Continuing the discussion from the Comments thread:


Thanks for being open about this!

For the BUM UI, I'm using Segoe UI 9 pt. I also tried Segoe UI 8 pt, and the text fits a lot better at that size, but of course then I can't read it well. Catch-22.

Windows 7 lets you specify Smaller - 100% (default), Medium - 125%, and Larger - 150%. I'm using Medium. This means that there's often some text cut off or crowded, which I'm used to. It's just that for UIs with many close-together text items, there's a lot of text cut off.

I'd be happy to help with other tests, too, including tests with default font size.

I just need a bit of prep time for changing the default size: To change to using Smaller - 100%, I need to log off of Windows and log back on, which I can't do just now because I'm in the middle of some stuff.


Sounds good. I agree that resizable probably isn't the best way to go. Tabs would probably work, though.


http://i986.photobucket.com/albums/ae349/chevenga/Nexus/IENotDefault.jpg (and has been since 2 mintues after I installed Windows), and all other HTML and other browser-type files open in Firefox. That's why I was surprised when IE opened.


All righty, thanks. I may have been unclear about what I expected from a menu item. The View menu that you mention has a menu, which I think is what you mean by "menu list". Some of the current BUM menu items don't have a menu list. That's all I was trying to get across.


There's always a user out there somewhere (well, me) who takes the text a little too literally and gets confused. Thanks for your patience!

And it's totally okay if this stuff is outside the range of what you'd like to work on. I just figured I'd ask. But please don't overextend yourself trying to work on these issues, especially if I'm the only user with requests like this. Your time is better spent on bigger issues. (insert cheerleader smiley-thing here)

Thanks very much again for your work so far and for your openness to updating stuff!

Hey, great utility you made! Finally I can rearrange my unrecognized mods with ease.

Thank you!

Since BUM has been gathering acolades recently in the Wrye Bash thread, I thought I'd post here asking what users of BUM thought were the features that make it a more attractive alternative to BOSS's User Rules Editor, so that I might shamelessly rip those features from BUM and put them in BOSS.

In all seriousness though, I would quite like to hear how the URE could be improved, and the thread of the utility that seems to do it better seems to be the best place to ask.

Wait...BOSS has a User Rules Editor? Oh GOD I feel so stupid now...it's in the GUI, right? The one I never touched because I thought it's a complex utility only for advanced users, and that I better not mess with...

Yup, it's there. I'll use them both and report. Though I only use them now for rearranging unrecognized mods (and I have a feeling they do far more complex stuff) so my report on them might not be so valuable.

No it is not, I am still getting the one dated April 13 showing up in BUM.

Ahh - now I understand. I used to use 125% on my work PC and found that many applications and dialogue boxes did not accommodate the change. In the end I set the DPI to 100% and got glasses

I will use 125% to conduct some tests and use that as a basis for addressing the layout issues.
I will do some experimenting on the current dialogue first to see if using a bigger Window will allow me to address the 125% issue without tabs. If that fails, then I will look at the Tab option
This is very strange. BUM simply starts BOSS in its own Window and it is BOSS that displays the Log file. Also BUM does not specify which browser to use when opening the log file.

Have you checked what program is associated with the HTM and HTML extensions? (Control Panel\Programs\Default Programs\Set Associations)
No I understood what you were saying. It was your comment "It would still be nonstandard behavior for them to change the UI instead of opening a dialog box" that I was referring to.
I did not have any further plans for BUM, but I am always interested to hear what people think and am always open to suggestions.

I have got version that makes the Menu items behave in the way you suggested. I tried the toolbar concept, but did like the look of it - far too fussy.

My current thinking is to stick with the drop down Menus and include a "Quick Launch" toolbar as part of the Menu strip. This will have Icons with tooltips on it (you will be able to Right-Click on the Menu strip and choose Icon, Icon + Text, Text only or No Quick launch items).

I will probably go with this approach - looks quite neat and allows users to have the final decision.

On the 125% issue, I am very like to introduce some changes to try and accommodate people who apply that setting. Will require a fair amount of trial and error

Apologies - misread your post.

So I am assuming you run BOSS and it updates the Masterlist (should tell you). What is BOSS showing as the Masterlist version and update date?

From what I understand, BOSS and BUM are not showing the same info.

The only thing I can think of is some confusion with compatibility mode. As a double check, can you...

• Start BUM. Settings, Reset
  
• Go back into Settings and double check that the location for the Masterlist is in the BOSS v2.0.1 folder and not still in the old location that BOSS used to use.
  
• If the location is incorrect, manually adjust it and save your settings
  
• Try run BUM again and see what version it is displaying.

I looked in the settings as you suggested. Both the Masterllist and the EXE settings were looking to the D://Steam/Steamapps... when they should have been looking at C://Boss...

I reset those two settings and got the correct masterlist showing up in BUM. Thanks for the help.

This time I can say that I am pleased to hear that it is now working

Yep. Next time I need to do something with BAIN I will experiment adding this into the mix. There is a learning curve, and everyone has been quite helpful.

Strange, indeed! Okay, I went to Control Panel to check. The .htm and .html files were already associated with Firefox. Several related formats were still associated with IE, though, so I changed .mfp, .mht, .mhtml, .website, .xht, and .xhtml to Firefox. And now BUM results open in Firefox! It makes no sense, but heck, it works now, so let's count it as a success.


Oh, sorry, I think this is one of my too-literal interpretations again! And I was unclear there, too, while aiming for brevity. This needs pictures for more clarification, but I don't wanna clutter your thread any further for a minor point.

So I'll skip adding a big ol' convoluted explanation and simply say thanks again for the openness and discussion.


Sounds like you've already thought out some great updates already. I look forward to them!


I'm happy to help with the testing. And thanks again for all of your responsiveness and willingness to discuss this stuff and make updates. It's greatly appreciated!

Thanks for your kind words.

Very pleased to hear the browser issue has been resolved.

I am now running my test version with the revised menus and a quick launch toolbar that is below the main menu - given that the change is designed to be more compliant, I decided to move away from the toolbar being part of the main menu. You can remove the toolbar and choose whether text is displayed with the icon (text only option has been dropped). These changes will more than likely mean that I need to update and restructure the Help file.

Next step will be to decide how to deal with the Settings dialogue - still thinking about this, but am likely to go with a Tab button approach and design the layout to be more accommodating for large font sizes.

The final step will be reviewing the main window and associated dialogues for font size sensitivity.

So still a while before releasing

Probably shouldn't answer the question because I wrote BUM, but then I thought that in the absence of any responses I would mention some of the key reasons that I keep using (and maintaining) BUM...

• Automatic inclusion of an ADD rule for any unknown mods
  
• Automatic detection of rules that have been added to the Masterlist with an option to remove my rule or change it to an Override
  
• I find the interface easier to view maintain my rules (but then you would expect that )

Hope this helps and is not too prejudiced.

I get a Wrye Bash error about delinquent masters if using Jaysus swords and HBE with HBE patch for JaySUS swords. The patch replaces jswords.esm I believe. Only way to avoid error was to move jswords.esm below HBE.esm. So order would be:

HBE.esm
jswords.esm

Now as this is a bit over my head, maybe someone could confirm this solution?

EDIT: Wrong thread - reposted in BOSS thread. Sorry.

I suppose the differences are mainly stylistic then. BOSS won't automatically include ADD rules for unrecognised mods, and I don't really see that as something I want it to be doing. It already detects rules for mods that have been added to the masterlist and disables them, and the next version will change those rules to override rules if you then re-enable them, but there's no dialog for that process, because it doesn't display the difference between ADD and OVERRIDE to the user, it works all that out behind the scenes.

I suppose that the one other advantage BUM has is that it doesn't strip comments, so you can use them for more organisation, like grouping rules, etc. Again, that's a stylistic choice, I want BOSS's GUI editor to be very plain, giving you access to all the functionality but without many buttons, etc.

I wouldn't be surprised if BOSS's editor's UI rendering issues also put people off, with the text boxes being invisible sometimes, etc. Thankfully I managed to finally fix that the other day.

Actually, that just gave me a few ideas for some improvements. Off I go!

Surazal, idk if its something im doing wrong but i cant get boss to change my load order when running in compatibility mode through BUM. I have tried running it in and out of bum but its not changing anything. Thanks for any help

For some reason my rules for my unknown mods aren't being used in boss. I just have them set to load before the bash patch. It worked at first but for some reason they no longer do.

EDIT: is there a how to guide for this? I'm still a beginner with this program and it may just be user error.