[RELz] BOSS Userlist Manager for Skyrim : V - Skyrim

» Mon May 28, 2012 2:37 am

Well, I did start with BOSS. Over time, I managed to forget most of what was in the help files, until I needed to look at it again. I think adding to the help files the way you are planning to is a good thing.

» Mon May 28, 2012 7:21 am

Just to add to what AiTenshi1 has already said...

The easiest way to create a rule for an existing mod is to...

Select the plugin in the Masterlist panel as suggested by AiTenshi1
Right-click and select Create Override (or click Create Override on the Toolbar)
Select the location in the Masterlist that you want your new rule to be placed (a plugin or Group)
Double-click to move it to the Sort Object (you can also right-click and select from the menu or click Sort Object on the Toolbar)
Use the drop-down Menu to describe whether it goes after or before the plugin (or at the top or bottom of a group) - BUM will suggest a default
Click Save Rule (or move the cursor over the Rule list)
You are done

Main difference from what AiTenshi1 described is that you do not need to use Copy Name to create a rule - Create Override and Create For do this automtically.

Use Override to change to a mod's placement.
Use For to add or change Bash tags.

Hope this helps.

Edit:
Added a step that I forgot to include

lol I actually did it pretty similar to how you described it.

Yep, that works, too. :smile:

I think the main thing about help files is that most people don't read them (like game manuals, right?) In the case of a help file that seems long/complicated for the average user, that's even more true (i.e., even if they look at it, if it seems like work, they'll skip it and try to simply use the program, then blame the program if it isn't user-friendly enough). Your helpfile in BUM is written in a way that is easy for almost anyone to understand while the BOSS helpfile is definitely more detailed, lengthy, and complex. I skimmed the BOSS help, of course, but then decided to use BUM, so it didn't even occur to me that I would need to read the BOSS help more thoroughly. :smile:

Since BOSS is basically a subroutine for BUM, I would expect BUM to include any specific help necessary, or point to the BOSS information if needed. I think people who have used BOSS extensively for awhile might have a different perception, but I didn't use BOSS until a few months ago with FONV (most mods I used were not recognized and there were errors in LO for some that were, so I didn't find BOSS very useful back when I first tried it). For new Skyrim players, I think that their perception is likely to be closer to mine, at least if they use BUM as their primary tool for LO management.

Just offering a different perception. :smile:

I did actually look through the help section several times but couldnt find where it said how to do such a action.

Based on the advice I have seen you providing, it has made me think that it would be a good idea to include a mini-tutorial in the Help that explains the basics.

I have always viewed BUM as a BOSS add-on and so made the assumption that people would start with BOSS :smile:

Many thanks for your insightful feedback

That would probably be pretty helpful. You might want to look at it like this. As popular as skyrim is and as booming as the modding community is, your going to be getting a lot of new people who will be referenced to BOSS and BUM. A quick basic tutorial for the common things that they will need to know will be very helpful.

Look at me, i've been dealing with mods since Oblivion and didnt see a reason to get BUM because A) i didnt know half as much as i do now, and :cool:

because the utilities worked so well. Skyrim on the other hand has changed many things and has made it almost necessary to have both BOSS and BUM to make the files load correctly. Now I have to learn about a completely new program and while the help is useful I couldnt find information i needed for a specific task.

So yeah i would fully support the idea of a turorial of sorts for the basic need to knows and how to's.

» Sun May 27, 2012 3:09 pm

Thanks very much for this tool. I have a request: make the text of the currently selected file selectable & copyable in the Rule Edit Section - it would make things much easier for adding patches, fixes, etc. based on existing names.

» Sun May 27, 2012 2:52 pm

Whoops, wrong thread.

» Mon May 28, 2012 1:47 am

Thanks very much for this tool. I have a request: make the text of the currently selected file selectable & copyable in the Rule Edit Section - it would make things much easier for adding patches, fixes, etc. based on existing names.

The selected Rule (in the list) is copyable (press F4 or use Right-Click menu).

Edit:
The way BUM works, it is simpler to select the plugin in the Masterlist panel and use Create Override or For to generate the Rule. BUM is designed to operate on existing plugins to create new rules and always adds rules for unknown mods automtically. So there should not be a requirement to manually create rules unless you want to change what is already defined in the Masterlist.

Comments on inclusion of tutorial

Many thanks for the feedback - I will be including a tutorial in the Help to cover how to do the basic operations as suggested - will release an update even if this is the only the change

» Mon May 28, 2012 6:12 am

Great news, Surazal, and thanks!

I have been advising people to use BUM and BOSS rather than Wrye Bash (including running BOSS from BUM rather than WB) due to Bash's current somewhat transitory state. I have just found that using BUM + BOSS right now for managing load order is much more stable and results in fewer problems, so it seems best to keep functions for managing and using mods split between different tools for now. It might even wind up better to keep things split in the long run no matter what, but it really just depends on the evolution of Skyrim and the community.

Anyway, I suspect that you will be having more BUM users for awhile, at least.

» Sun May 27, 2012 4:58 pm

Use WryeBash to install/activate mods. BUM/BOSS to manage load order. It seems to be working fine for me. I haven't tried the bashed patch yet. I like to keep the load order as small as I can.

» Mon May 28, 2012 1:41 am

BOSS Userlist Manager Version 6.2.2 Released

Features and Fixes

Help: FAQ browser problem updated with additional solution option.
Help: Getting Started has been restructured and includes a "Creating Rules" mini-tutorial.

» Sun May 27, 2012 7:46 pm

Nice. I'll wait to upgrade since it's working fine for me at the moment.

» Mon May 28, 2012 5:22 am

Nice. I'll wait to upgrade since it's working fine for me at the moment.

Should be pretty safe - no code changes - only the version and the Help file

» Mon May 28, 2012 2:56 am

BOSS Userlist Manager Version 6.3 Released

Features and Fixes

Ensures the correct character case is used in Plugins.txt after BOSS has been run (via BUM). This is controlled by an option on the Game Configuration page in Settings and is OFF by default.
Settings: The BOSS.exe path is cleared if the Masterlist and Mod directories have not been entered.
Help: Updated to reflect the new Settings Game Configuration option.

» Mon May 28, 2012 2:15 am

I'll get around to updating at some point. This is quite useful when testing lots of different mods. I don't get messages from BOSS that "xyz" mod isn't installed so the user rule is not being applied.

» Sun May 27, 2012 3:15 pm

I'm getting this fancy unhandled exception when trying to run BUM. Yesterday it was running fine so I'm guessing it doesn't like something in the new masterlist. Version 6.2.2 and 6.3 aswell.

Spoiler

See the end of this message for details on invoking
just-in-time (JIT) debugging instead of this dialog box.

************** Exception Text **************
System.ArgumentException: parsing "DeadlyDragons(Hard|Normal|hardcoe)?( DV)?\.esp") SAY: Use compatibility patch for deadly dragons:("http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=13423")" - Too many )'s.
at System.Text.RegularExpressions.RegexParser.ScanRegex()
at System.Text.RegularExpressions.RegexParser.Parse(String re, RegexOptions op)
at System.Text.RegularExpressions.Regex..ctor(String pattern, RegexOptions options, Boolean useCache)
at System.Text.RegularExpressions.Regex.IsMatch(String input, String pattern, RegexOptions options)
at BOSS_Userlist_Manager.BumMasterlist.RegexMod(String pPlugin)
at BOSS_Userlist_Manager.BumMasterlist.Find(String pPlugin)
at BOSS_Userlist_Manager.BumUserlist.AddIfUnknown(String pPlugin)
at BOSS_Userlist_Manager.BumUserlist.Unknowns()
at BOSS_Userlist_Manager.BumUserlist.Load(String pUserlist)
at BOSS_Userlist_Manager.BumGames.Load()
at BOSS_Userlist_Manager.BUM.BUM_Shown(Object sender, EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.Form.OnShown(EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.Form.CallShownEvent()
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.InvokeMarshaledCallbackDo(ThreadMethodEntry tme)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.InvokeMarshaledCallbackHelper(Object obj)
at System.Threading.ExecutionContext.runTryCode(Object userData)
at System.Runtime.CompilerServices.RuntimeHelpers.ExecuteCodeWithGuaranteedCleanup(TryCode code, CleanupCode backoutCode, Object userData)
at System.Threading.ExecutionContext.RunInternal(ExecutionContext executionContext, ContextCallback callback, Object state)
at System.Threading.ExecutionContext.Run(ExecutionContext executionContext, ContextCallback callback, Object state, Boolean ignoreSyncCtx)
at System.Threading.ExecutionContext.Run(ExecutionContext executionContext, ContextCallback callback, Object state)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.InvokeMarshaledCallback(ThreadMethodEntry tme)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.InvokeMarshaledCallbacks()

************** Loaded Assemblies **************
mscorlib
Assembly Version: 4.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 4.0.30319.269 (RTMGDR.030319-2600)
CodeBase: file:///C:/Windows/Microsoft.NET/Framework/v4.0.30319/mscorlib.dll
----------------------------------------
BOSS Userlist Manager
Assembly Version: 6.3.0.0
Win32 Version: 6.3.0.0
CodeBase: file:///D:/Games/Steam/SteamApps/common/skyrim/BOSS/BUM/BOSS%20Userlist%20Manager.exe
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Microsoft.VisualBasic
Assembly Version: 10.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 10.0.30319.1 built by: RTMRel
CodeBase: file:///C:/Windows/Microsoft.Net/assembly/GAC_MSIL/Microsoft.VisualBasic/v4.0_10.0.0.0__b03f5f7f11d50a3a/Microsoft.VisualBasic.dll
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System.Windows.Forms
Assembly Version: 4.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 4.0.30319.269 built by: RTMGDR
CodeBase: file:///C:/Windows/Microsoft.Net/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Windows.Forms/v4.0_4.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089/System.Windows.Forms.dll
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System.Drawing
Assembly Version: 4.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 4.0.30319.276 built by: RTMGDR
CodeBase: file:///C:/Windows/Microsoft.Net/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Drawing/v4.0_4.0.0.0__b03f5f7f11d50a3a/System.Drawing.dll
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System
Assembly Version: 4.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 4.0.30319.269 built by: RTMGDR
CodeBase: file:///C:/Windows/Microsoft.Net/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System/v4.0_4.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089/System.dll
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System.Runtime.Remoting
Assembly Version: 4.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 4.0.30319.1 (RTMRel.030319-0100)
CodeBase: file:///C:/Windows/Microsoft.Net/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Runtime.Remoting/v4.0_4.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089/System.Runtime.Remoting.dll
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System.Configuration
Assembly Version: 4.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 4.0.30319.1 (RTMRel.030319-0100)
CodeBase: file:///C:/Windows/Microsoft.Net/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Configuration/v4.0_4.0.0.0__b03f5f7f11d50a3a/System.Configuration.dll
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System.Xml
Assembly Version: 4.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 4.0.30319.233 built by: RTMGDR
CodeBase: file:///C:/Windows/Microsoft.Net/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Xml/v4.0_4.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089/System.Xml.dll
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System.Core
Assembly Version: 4.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 4.0.30319.233 built by: RTMGDR
CodeBase: file:///C:/Windows/Microsoft.Net/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Core/v4.0_4.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089/System.Core.dll
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UtilityLib
Assembly Version: 1.0.2.0
Win32 Version: 1.0.2.0
CodeBase: file:///D:/Games/Steam/SteamApps/common/skyrim/BOSS/BUM/UtilityLib.DLL
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System.Web
Assembly Version: 4.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 4.0.30319.272 built by: RTMGDR
CodeBase: file:///C:/Windows/Microsoft.Net/assembly/GAC_32/System.Web/v4.0_4.0.0.0__b03f5f7f11d50a3a/System.Web.dll
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************** JIT Debugging **************
To enable just-in-time (JIT) debugging, the .config file for this
application or computer (machine.config) must have the
jitDebugging value set in the system.windows.forms section.
The application must also be compiled with debugging
enabled.

For example:

When JIT debugging is enabled, any unhandled exception
will be sent to the JIT debugger registered on the computer
rather than be handled by this dialog box.

» Sun May 27, 2012 2:57 pm

I'm getting this fancy unhandled exception when trying to run BUM. Yesterday it was running fine so I'm guessing it doesn't like something in the new masterlist. Version 6.2.2 and 6.3 aswell.

Seeing this too.

» Sun May 27, 2012 6:02 pm

I'm getting this fancy unhandled exception when trying to run BUM. Yesterday it was running fine so I'm guessing it doesn't like something in the new masterlist. Version 6.2.2 and 6.3 aswell.

Seeing this too.

I am not seeing this problem although I have an idea what it is.

Have you got any user rules for one of the DeadlyDragons mods? If so, can you tell me which one/s so I can reproduce the probelm. If not, do you have any of them installed (and which one/s are installed).

If you prefer, you can post your Userlist rules (as generated by BUM) and your plugins.txt file (which is in a hidden folder called AppData - C:\Users\Your_User_Name\AppData)

Once I can reproduce the problem, I will fix the issue and release an update.

» Sun May 27, 2012 8:41 pm

I have only the normal Deadly Dragons installed without Armory, Spells and such. Problem persists even after uninstalling it. Also I haven't set up any user-rules for it.

Userlist looks like this:

Spoiler

// BOSS Userlist Manager v6.2.2

//UserCat: ――――――――― User Rules

ADD: VickysArmor.esp
AFTER: viciousdawnbreaker.esp

//Inactive: ADD: ProType - Peppermint.esp
//Inactive: AFTER: Prometheus_ConanOutfits.esp

ADD: Osare Underwear.esp
AFTER: Osare Maid Outfit.esp
APPEND: REQ: DIMONIZED UNP female body

//Inactive: ADD: MorePresets.esp
//Inactive: AFTER: MoreLanterns.esp

ADD: KURESE Gloria conversion.esp
AFTER: Kubikiri Ax Edition.esp

ADD: Kaw's Cat Disguise.esp
AFTER: Katharinian Armor.esp

ADD: DIMclothes1.esp
AFTER: Demothris.esp

ADD: Darkwindv1.esp
AFTER: DarkwindCBBE3ByNausicaa.esp

ADD: combinationVanillaOutfit.esp
BEFORE: CompanionsShields.esp

ADD: NajaFollower.esp
BEFORE: nordguardfollower.esp

ADD: Ka'thliinfollower.esp
BEFORE: nordguardfollower.esp

ADD: AdditionalNPCFollwerVoices.esp
BEFORE: UFO - Ultimate Follower Overhaul.esp

ADD: CaitAshlandCompanion.esp
BEFORE: nordguardfollower.esp

ADD: KhantuArmor.esp
AFTER: khajit-ears.esp

//Inactive: ADD: FollowerElanin.esp
//Inactive: BEFORE: nordguardfollower.esp

ADD: VicFollower.esp
AFTER: nordguardfollower.esp

ADD: sahar.esp
AFTER: nordguardfollower.esp

ADD: SereneRace.esp
AFTER: RGMsTattooedRaces.esp

ADD: UNP Simply Clothes.esp
AFTER: UNPPantyhose.esp

plugins like that:

Spoiler

Update.esm
3rdEraWeaponsMoS.esm
AP Skyrim.esm
ApachiiHair.esm
Omegared99-Compilation.esm
RaceCompatibility.esm
HighResTexturePack01.esp
HighResTexturePack02.esp
Shadow Striping Fix.esp
Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp
Weapons and Armor Fixes.esp
Weapons and Armor Fixes - Hacks.esp
StaticMeshImprovementMod.esp
Economics of Skyrim.esp
Auto Unequip Helmet.esp
dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp
Dr_Bandolier.esp
Legionettes.esp
mcCampingLite.esp
Pupetteer Master.esp
sixtoys-calyps-2.esp
Auto Unequip Arrows.esp
IMAGINATOR - Visual Control for Skyrim.esp
3rdEraWeaponsMoS.esp
Arcania_armory.esp
Blindfolds_of_Skyrim.esp
Cloaks.esp
combinationVanillaOutfit.esp
DandelionArmor.esp
Darkwindv1.esp
DCSorceress.esp
DIMclothes1.esp
DragonBoneWeaponsComplete.esp
Earrings Set1.esp
EinherjarArmor.esp
FS_EveningStar.esp
HBetterBows.esp
HentaiCasualWears.esp
HentaiGaleArmor.esp
HentaiNightmareArmor.esp
HentaiVoidArmor.esp
Kaw's Cat Disguise.esp
khajit-ears.esp
KhantuArmor.esp
KURESE Gloria conversion.esp
LayerBikini.esp
leathercollar1mm.esp
leia.esp
Masters of Death - Sicarius Armor (Standalone).esp
Maxwell Outfit.esp
Neo's Oriental Dress.esp
Nicoroshi Creations.esp
Omegared99-Compilation-NPC Plugin.esp
Osare KneeSocks.esp
Osare Maid Outfit.esp
Osare Underwear.esp
R18Pn - Ritter Armor - Heavy.esp
R18Pn - Inner Wear Set.esp
R18Pn - Argent Iron Armor.esp
R18Pn - Eisen Platte Armor.esp
ScampsIron.esp
SkyHeels.esp
UNPPantyhose.esp
UNP Simply Clothes.esp
VickysArmor.esp
WarchiefArmor.esp
WVExpansion.esp
Smithing Perks Overhaul - Balanced.esp
Complete Crafting Overhaul - BS version.esp
DeadlyDragons.esp
Breezehome_FullyUpgradable.esp
Gildergreen Regrown.esp
PickaxeWeightRedux(0).esp
WeightlessScrolls.esp
WeightlessPotions.esp
WeightlessFood.esp
WeightlessAlchemyIngredients.esp
WeightlessOreIngotsPeltsGems.esp
WeightlessCraftedPotions.esp
Acquisitive Soul Gems.esp
AT - Recover 50% More Arrows.esp
ArrowInTheEverywhere_Med.esp
Better Dynamic Snow.esp
heimskrshutsup3.esp
WATER.esp
Reduced Distance NPC Greetings.esp
Distant Detail.esp
SkyTEST-RealPredators&Animals.esp
UnreadBooksGlow.esp
Unique Region Names.esp
ASX - Spells.esp
Phenderix's Magic Evolved.esp
dovahkiinrelax.esp
The Dance of Death.esp
Balanced_Magic_BETA_2_0.esp
Perk_Soul_Siphon_Full_Recharge.esp
Skyrim15SmithingFix.esp
LovelyHairstyles.esp
RenHair.esp
TeraHairWeightFix.esp
TheEyesofBeauty.esp
SereneRace.esp
AdditionalNPCFollwerVoices.esp
UFO - Ultimate Follower Overhaul.esp
NajaFollower.esp
Ka'thliinfollower.esp
CaitAshlandCompanion.esp
sahar.esp
VicFollower.esp
Live Another Life.esp
BecomeKingOfRiverHelm.esp
VanillaRaces - Prepatched - English.esp
Perky.esp
Bashed Patch, 0.esp

After saving the userlist when quitting because of the crash it just sets everything to inactive.

» Sun May 27, 2012 9:45 pm

I have only the normal Deadly Dragons installed without Armory, Spells and such. Problem persists even after uninstalling it. Also I haven't set up any user-rules for it.

Would you be kind enough to try v6.3.1 uploaded to Skyrim Nexus under Miscellaneous and let me know if this works.

Thanks

» Sun May 27, 2012 8:08 pm

Have you got any user rules for one of the DeadlyDragons mods? [...] If not, do you have any of them installed (and which one/s are installed).

No, and no.

» Mon May 28, 2012 2:26 am

Would you be kind enough to try v6.3.1 uploaded to Skyrim Nexus under Miscellaneous and let me know if this works.

Thanks

Yes that that does the trick. Thanks very much for fixing it so fast and thanks for this very useful utility :smile:

» Sun May 27, 2012 11:56 pm

Yes that that does the trick. Thanks very much for fixing it so fast and thanks for this very useful utility :smile:

Many thanks for the feedback.

I will do a release later today - no need to download it again - it will be the same

» Sun May 27, 2012 9:58 pm

BOSS Userlist Manager Version 6.3.1 Released

Apologies for another release so soon - this fixes an issue that causes BUM to crash so I wanted to make the update available as quickly as possible.

Features and Fixes

Correct a problem with conditional REGEX statements causing BUM to crash
Help: Fixed some typos, missing words and included some minor refinements.

» Mon May 28, 2012 1:35 am

I'll try updating. I do not have deadly dragons installed and never have. But I am seeing the unhandled exception too.

» Sun May 27, 2012 5:29 pm

And it now launches Boss in ie explorer instead of chrome. This is not what I want. I hate ie explorer.

» Mon May 28, 2012 1:47 am

Boss automatically chooses your default web browser and launches that. At least wrinkly said that sometime in the boss thread. Mine launches the fox as usual, don't have chrome to test

» Mon May 28, 2012 12:43 am

When I use BOSS it launches through Chrome. When I use BUM it is launching through ie explorer, which is not my default browser. Chrome is my default browser. This started with this latest update.