Game is rated 15, game is made in a way so that slow people,the young and the stupid can understand.



I am not talking about the lack of six, violence and naughty words here (although more of that would have suited the game) But instead..


How every single puzzle was designed for a four year old and added absolutely nothing good to the game. I found the poorly designed inventory to be more of a problem

How the lore added to the game was poor and just excused the creation of generic fantasy dragons who didn't even use the shouts to make their fire. I don't even know why there are dwemer cities in skyrim and i think it's because bethesda could not be bothered to think of something new to fight. I am not even sure if they should be called "dwemer" perhaps "dwarves" would fit them better with their stone architecture and all.

Game is rated 15, game is made in a way so that slow people,the young and the stupid can understand.

For some reason, on my retail box it sais 18yrs+ lol

I want a deep rpg that does not assume that i am five.

Game is rated 15, game is made in a way so that slow people,the young and the stupid can understand.

And that's probably why it is heavily suggested in the game, that letting the world end MIGHT be a good thing... I don't think slow people could ever see anything like this as a good thing


How every single puzzle was designed for a four year old and added absolutely nothing good to the game. I found the poorly designed inventory to be more of a problem

Agreed, they didn't add anything. The inventory is fine. If you really can't find your stuff, would you like it designed for a four year-old next time?

How the lore added to the game was poor and just excused the creation of generic fantasy dragons who Actually used shouts to make their fire and their ice. Turn on the subtitles and you'll hear them "toor shuul". I don't even know why there are dwemer cities in skyrim and i think it's because bethesda could not be bothered to think of something new to fight. I am not even sure if they should be called "dwemer" perhaps "dwarves" would fit them better with their stone architecture and all Perhaps since that was an old favorite of Morrowind and people really wanted them back? And perhaps their stone and golden-metal architecture dates back to the first time we saw them?

The designs of armour and weapons and creatures. Note how all the weapons (especially swords) are oversized for no decent reason Well the end-game items are. Look at steel and iron weaponry, the size is right. And before you say "but the steel greatsword!", please note that weapons like http://www.smkw.com/large/knife/CS88WGSS.jpg were very commonly used as soon as they were invented, whilst there are no unique looking animals or monsters whatsoever that anyone older than ten would accept in a fantasy realm Ok, so it's ok to have weird, unlogical animals, but when it comes to weaponry, it's not?. The powers of smithing was probably thought up by five year olds who wanted to make "epic swords" Can't tell if troliing, or just doesn't know how a [censored] sword is made...


Every second an npc will spurt their occupation at you. I agree, that's annoying. As if it was hard to remember that the black woman at whiterun's gate banging into an anvil was a smith.. Plus why is she telling me that graymane is better than her and she is terrible CONSTANTLY? That can't be good for business can it? Imagine of Burger king continuously announced their inferiority to McDonald's .

There are some npcs that are rather powerful emotionally (ulfric, jarl balgruff - the stormcloak storyline is superior to the imperial one in ever aspect) and then there are some well played characters (Most of the less sane,Khajit, esbern,tulius, hardvar,tolfdir some of the daedric princes, parthanax. i was told the greybeards rip you apart if you side with the blades) and the completely awful (every single person that i have not mentioned, I probably met every single npc in my 178 hours)

But i probably wouldn't have brought this issue up if Npc's kept their stupid comments to themselves!
Then there are some npcs that i just want to kill for being so.. bad and unique.. Delvin, carliah, maven,lucien, delphine,mercer, the unimportant companions, sheogorath Why Sheogorath? Maybe you don't like madness, but he's a VERY well appreciated character of the fans, half of the dark brotherhood.. ugh.. so STUPID! Nothing says "i am a bad person" more in a Bethesda game than the voice they use and it really simplifies characters to the point of them being so unrelatable that you just want to shoot them. A five year old might need the "evil voice help" to tell if a character is "evil" or not but the game happens to be rated 15 and anyone who is over 15 realy does not (unless they suffer from a mental illness, in that case they should not be playing such games) Now that the [censored] is an evil voice? Quite frankly, I've met lots of people with deep, sore-throat-like voice in the game, and only a few of them are evil.


I want a deep rpg that does not assume that i am five. I want a deep forum that does not take a [censored] GAME so [censored] personal

Yes it's horrible that a puzzle game like Skyrim doesn't have complicated puzzles, oh wait that's right, it's not a puzzle game.

Rated 15 you say? Here you got to be 18.
Anyways, you got some points. But it is also some restrictions on how much variation there can be. If all NPCs should have 50+ lines Betesda would ruin themselves on acting alone.
The puzzles are simple indeed, but maybe nececcary so. Few casual gamers today would enjoy using 2 hours to continue their game. And Bethseda has with this game tried to reach an even bigger market than before.

Friends of me who normally only play FIFA, CoD, Counter Strike and such games have bought it and enjoyed it.

Well, if we compare Skyrim to Oblivion this game looks much more advlt. Although not enough, I agree. Lack of six is indeed disturbing, when your game is m-rated and you have that much violence.

Allow me to rephrase that for you: "I want a deep RPG that challenges the mind. This game is rather simple, and I would like to see something with more substance in future ES titles."

Because it's not the targeted age bracket that's the problem, it's your personal tastes in the difficulty. Personally, I would have went in that direction instead.

The problem I have with this is that I find easy puzzles worse than no puzzles at all. When they're all more or less the same and offer no real challenge, then they be come little more than a tedious set of motions I'm forced to go through. As such, I wish they would have just left them out entirely. That or made a variety of challenging puzzles that force me to stop and think and keep me on my toes.

Another one of these threads.....You people think this is for children? How can i game filled with stories of bandits kidnapping and molesting childrens while killing there parents? Howbout werewolves ripping children to little pieces? Hmmmm? Howbout necromancer kidnapping milk maids while turning them into the undead for his perverted reasons? Hmmmm

Maybe 15 year olds are dumber and stupidier now a days

hmmm I see, but my point is that they weren't selling this game because of the "amazing puzzles" so it's not particularly astute to fraternize Bethesda for having simple puzzles that are often the same. They said themselves that they'd be a light touch and to not expect much difficulty from them so I'm baffled why so many of you were surprised by the fact that the puzzles are so uncomplicated.

Agreed, bring back Daggerfall. Looking at this gameplay video, it definitely challenged the mind. I hear only rocket scientists can play this epic game....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2xa2r-0bTI

Ok we are on day 3 of consecutive posts claiming puzzles in skyrim are designed for children yet no one is suggesting what type of mature puzzles they would like to see in it's place.

Delvin, carliah, maven,lucien, delphine,mercer, the unimportant companions, sheogorath, half of the dark brotherhood.. ugh.. so STUPID! Nothing says "i am a bad person" more in a Bethesda game than the voice they use

Is there any point in the game when there has been a definite reference or evidence of molestation? And werewolves are the theme of allot of spooky infant campfire and bedtime stories. Necromancy is in getting close to true horror though; it is associated with a darker evil so I wouldn't call Necromancy a childish element... I doubt you would hear a story of reanimating the dead around a child's camp fire story and on Halloween you wouldn't get a reanimated corps costume for children; it is much darker. But you would get both with werewolves.

Well, at least that aspect is consistent with lore...

Mer = Elves

AltMER
DunMER
OrsiMER
DweMER
FalMER

Half of those accents hail from the British Isles and as an Englishwoman, I found that quite refreshing. Delvin in particular sounds like a good friend of mine. Evil? Heck no. He's just from south London.

How every single puzzle was designed for a four year old and added absolutely nothing good to the game.