Given what Skyrim HAS, what he's stating is simply rediculous, and for such a thing to exist I wouldn't have played the game yet--- because it wouldn't be out. He's finding problems where there are none, and simply asking too much out of something that gives everything in its power. Bethesda is obviously trying to incorporate new things into Skyrim that have never been done, and you have to think in light of that. They're trying to improve the game with Skyrim, to eventually get where this kid wants it. It's gonna take time. A list like that can be made for every game I've ever played. And I'll tell you what, that's one reason sequels exist--- for you to experience the previous game with more depth. I'm not posting a list of all the positive aspects of this game, as I'm also writing a paper. I know my post might have not been "constructive", but it wasn't trying to be.

1. Graphics:

- You say the graphics svck? Well firstly, graphics don't make the game. People to this day still play Mario and I haven't heard a SINGLE person complain about the graphics. There are over a million Minecraft users and no graphic complaints there among the players. I highly doubt that having shadows that aren't exact to life will break immersion any more than the crosshair.

- Secondly, the graphics ARE good and tolerable. If you want Crisis level graphics, then go play Crisis. Skyrim isn't about the graphics. It stilcks to its art design and rather than focus every single penny on the graphics, it improves upon the gameplay and story.

2. Gameplay

- Running faster than Usain Bolt is stupid, jumping higher than a kangaroo is stupid. Enough said.

- Yes, crafting skills are overpowered. I agree. But really? You like weapon degrading? You enjoy having to pay money to maintain your weapon? That's not a teensy bit annoying for you? Not annoying at all? You sir, have problems. Mindlessly clicking to repair weapons is a waste of an entire skill tree.

- Bethesda isn't NASA. If the game doesn't match the Kinetic Energy of a sword hitting your cranium, then you're digging too deep for complaints. But yeah, there are bugs to the game. We get it. Bethesda is notorious for bugs. I'm going to ignore every bug comment you have now.

- Magic has less features. Sure. But we have different types of spells now so that's a plus. Either way, spell making will probably be a DLC considering it takes no part on Bethesda's part to implement.

- Combat is the same as it was for all the Elder Scrolls games. It's not supposed to be a combat simulator, it's just the way it works. It should have more depth but that's not a selling point any more than the graphics. It's worked for four previous games.

- MAP AND COMPASS SYSTEM IS NOT ANNOYING! If you don't want to Fast Travel, then DON'T. If you don't want to use the Map Markers, just don't tick the quest. It's that simple. Seriously.

Now, I need to go watch Ponies so I bid you adieu

" 1. Graphics

Is there anything good to say about the graphics? I guess some of the interiors look nice, such as Dragonsreach. Overall, it looks like a game from 2006-2007, though. And I don't think "consoles" is a good reason to accept that. They could easily add variables to enable/disable specific shaders, and package the console versions with lower resolution textures and reduce the 3D model LOD level by 1 or 2 (If they even had an proper LOD system... will comment on that later). "



What are you running it on?????? I run it with max graphics and Skyrim looks awsum!

Or is this just another troll post? Seems a bit long for the average troll.

Was about to post a post much the same until I seen your one and it is exactly right.Consoles are ruining the gaming industry at a alarming rate. The Witcher 2 was a breathe of fresh air when it was released which was developed for PC first like it should be.Things should improve a bit when the new consoles finally get released until then prepare for more over hyped substandard games.

Everything seemed logical until I read the part where he essentially says (not direct quote)

"No attempts at modern graphics"

"I disabled their attempt at covering their tracks at not making modern graphics with my own mod"

So the things you didn't find up to par you brought to the forefront of the game with your own mods? Of course you didn't like the graphics then..

The guys a modder and you have the nerve to imply he may be a troll not cool

Call Of Duty.


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Anyway, I agree with the OP on a lot of points, I just think that people should read the other points and not just focus on the Graphics section.
Who gives a crap if it has good graphics or not, it's the mechanics, balance, dialogue, writing, quest design, character design, character development and changes from the previous titles that matter.


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Quite frankly, I think that the graphics cloud people's judgement of the actual content underneath it.
Makes me wonder what people would have really thought about Skyrim if it had had the same graphics as Oblivion or Fallout 3 had.

Yes he was overly harsh. Did he say it was a completely horrible game? I do not remember reading that anywhere. He said why he does not like Skyrim overall. However almost all of his points are valid to a degree. He would not be creating and spending vast amounts of time creating mods for the game if he thought it was a bad and worthless game. He also has a lot of experience messing with a lot of the games actual functions and mechanics through modding and has personally seen a lot of amateurish mistakes.
No it is not that simple. Fast travel is true, you are on the money there. Map markers however cannot be turned off if you want to finish any quests. Simple. You can do maybe some quests but the vast majority of quests have NPCs, environment and the journal updates simply not giving you anywhere near enough information to finish a quest in a feasible manner. Unless you already know the quest or you're spending a long period of time searching for something or somewhere that you really do not have enough information to find outside of guesswork. Quest markers are fine if the provide an option to turn them off and provide an alternate means to finish quests. But they do not. They were simply lax in making a questing system that was fun for those of us who actually like thinking in our RPGs. There is no thought needed with quest markers. Basically everyquest becomes follow the shiny little marker.

maybe the game isn't for you either, i mean seriously, bethesda makes great games and they don't need to change, if a person really isn't enjoying their games and has so many complaints, its time for a different game, but a lot of people are enjoying it and thats all that matters.

OP I'd give you a Post of the forum if there was such a beast. While I love the game it is also a complete dissapointment. I can see why Bethesda tried to hide the game before its release, they didn't want to let everybody know they made a good Xbox game and then ported it to the PC.

That is what Skyrim is to me...a good Xbox game.

For a developer whose last two TES titles pushed the current gen hardware boundaries Skyrim is a total cop out.

I know graphics aren't everything but they also culled other aspects of the game which I wont go on about.

I look forward to modders fixing Skyrim (TES V Beta as I think it should be called).

You may be onto something. Some of the sounds and visuals in the game do make feel like a really devoted fan Good thing that isn't a permanent state



That's a bit harsh. I call it "prototype"

Ya'll [censored] need to shut your mouths or offer some critique on this, uh, critique... Critiqueception?

I completely agree with OP.

good post gabe!

You shouldn't say "No offense" that often. If someone gets offended by something like that, it's an idiot.
I meant to say that it is one of the well-written and non-agressive reviews I've seen.

For every single person that doesn't like Skyrim, there's 64,000 that do. Odds don't favor the complainer's desires. It all comes down to what you think is important. Individual aspects of any Elder Scrolls game are easy to separate and tear into (And doing so shows your weakness as a writer since context is everything), but it's how everything comes together in the world that makes The Elder Scrolls one of the most successful game series of all time.

Yeah, I know. It's inevitable because the way they made it is obviously popular and is selling lots of copies. I think this is generally happening to most games, I could write a similar critique of a lot of other "modern" games. I know that I mentioned Crysis in the first post. Well, Crysis 1 was a great game to me, and I hated Crysis 2 and could write a similarly long post about why. In that case, I think the first game was more popular though.

Yes, a boatload of fresh air indeed, with broken targeting system, linear world design, hillarious voices and arcade combat.

i disagree

Graphics- the graphics for Skyrim are revolutionary for an open world RPG the textures are much better then they could be and the character modules are much better then most of this generation of games

game play mechanics- your mostly talking about the loss of a lot of Attributes while i agree with this i accept that we cant do anything about this. Bethesda is making the mistake many an rpg development make and that's dumbing a game down for new players which ultimately makes the older fans suffer because of it

the world design- it isn't bad and what exactly do you expect of the architecture not really a lot of diversity because that's the architectures of the area realistically there wouldn't even be that much diversity as there is

Dungeon design- you pretty much just stated an opinion here. the dungeons are more diverse and have a lot more unique qualities then previous games

NPCs - you cant expect them to name every NPC in a game as big as this and the bandits names Aren't important enough you end up killing them anyway the normal civilians have names that should be good enough. there AI isn't bad either one time i was on my way to a quest and i got ambushed by a member of the Dark Brotherhood apparently some one preformed the black sacrament against me its small but it was certainly more then i expected. the npc's are certanly smarter then they have been in Tes games

story lines - i agree completely here about the faction quest lines anyway they could have done a lot more but the faction story lines were far too short and anti climactic


Lore - TES has some of the most vivid lore ive ever seen to a game saying it isn't good is something i have to disagree with completely. there is a great story behind almost every thing skyrim is part of TES lore obviously and is one of the most interesting.

Well it's not a bad game.
I got 230 hours out of it.
It's just that, the things that are flawed in Skyrim can be overlooked at first and for a long time too.
But once the good parts become overplayed one will noticed the flaws even more and finally realize just what is wrong with it.

Skyrim is not for me.
TES overall is not for me.
But despite that I see more potential in Oblivion than I saw in Skyrim.

Skyrim for me was dumb fun (not calling anyone dumb around here, it's just a gameplay type I have, Dumb Dun for me is when I play a game and I don't care about writing or character or anything like that, I just want to kill stuff. Like logging onto a TF2 deathmatch server, that is dumb fun. No real strategizing involved, just killing things for teh lulz.), I just ventured into dungeons to kill stuff cause it was challenging and to get pointless stuff to sell for pointless money to get my skills up.

But once I settled down from the dumb fun I tried to actually play the game and noticed it's flaws.
Took me a long time of course, and for Skyrim to deceive me for such a long time it did a damn fine job.
So I looked at the gameplay and noticed that it was. Well, pointless.
Dungeons started to get repetitive, enemies started to become unchallenging, loot started to become pointless, quests started to become unrewarding.
Thing is, I can't comprehend the idea that anyone would not feel what I felt.

Draughr tombs might be fun the first 10 times but after 30 times? You've seen what the Draughr are, you've seen the architecture and visual design, you've faced the various types of Draughr, you've solved the puzzles they give you and you know what loot is to be expected.
Enemies will become unchallenging and just damage sponges the more you level up, sure someone who doesn't smith or enchant their gear and doesn't put any stat points into health might have a different perspective on the balance, but I'd say that's nerfing one self.
Loot will at some point be pointless cause there is no reason to carry it around, once you get 100K gold (which is rather easy) then why do you need more ebony loot from enemies to sell? Once you've disenchanted everything there is what reason is there to pick up another enchanted item? Once you've seen all the misc loot or have Legendary gear what reason is there to pick up misc items or ore?
The quests at first offer some good items and gold and sometimes even free training, but once you've reached say lvl 40 then quests offer nothing good.
And most quests and I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say 80% of the quests has you going into yet 'another' dungeon to fetch or kill X number of Y and return back.
The quests aren't even detailed enough to be interesting, few dungeons have environmental storytelling and the rest are just kinda there to fill out the world. The characters doesn't explain enough about the quests to make them interesting (apart from the guild quests and main quests but even there the dialogue is very minimal).
So doing quests for their storylines? Let's just say that Bethesda aren't exaclty Rockstar, Bioware or Obsidian.

Skyrim is fun when you're crap. When you are new to the world and there are so many things you need to become better.
But once you do become better it loses it's appeal.

Wow, this became rather long.
I know it's about opinions and everyone has different ones, but I can't fathom the idea that the game can remain fun once you've realized how pointless everything is.
The game might not be for me, but criticism and feedback should be given even if I move on to another game. Cause bethesda will develop Fallout 4, and let's just say I wasn't exactly happy about the way Fallout 3 was designed, let alone Skyrim.
(I have gone back to Fallout New Vegas. But I drop in here occasionally to give my 2 cents. )


As long as a game is fun then it's great.
And if people enjoy Skyrim then that's great too.
Games are supposed to entertain after all.
I'm just scared for my life for Fallout and feel sad for all the Morrowind purists that wanted Skyrim to not get any more streamlined.


I do what I can.

Almost all valid points. The game is still amazingly fun though.

And wow, spoilers much? You just ruined the ending for me, please edit that out.

I agree 100% with everything the topicstarter said, the graphics are fine though, but the gameplay is utterly horrible and even more boring than Oblivion after a while. Bethesda can't make epic rpg games anymore, not even a little, they are not alone though no other developer has pulled of a great rpg in years either. We just have to realise that deep rpg's with interesting characters, a ton of choices, unique mainquests, and quests in general and extreme replay value is an extinct genre of games. Obsidian made fallout new vegas great, it was one of very few good rpg games I have played in later years, but since bethesda will make fallout 4 it will become everything I hate about skyrim and even more.
If bethesda is fan of true rpg games they should let Obsidian make fallout 4, and they know the guys att Obsidian is far better att their jobb too.

I think Skyrim is gamesas version of Bioware's DA2

... It says "Warning: Spoilers ahead" before the part about storyline...

Now that's unfair. DA2's NPCs didn't sound like broken records

Should just be in the spoilers section or have a spoilers tag.

http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1149624-do-not-post-spoilers-in-this-board/