My big gripe with Skyrim levelling is how everyone starts commenting on some of your skills once they get over 30.

It really irks me that my character keeps being called a sneak thief, a lockpicker, a man with honeyed words etc., when sneak has increased to 35 through an apparent glitch - I haven't made one sneak attack yet, I've barely sneaked at all.... Likewise I've only picked the occasional lock, and have been pretty minimalist with selling and buying stuff. There seem to be a couple of noncombat skills that just spam increase. And my character, whose quite a swordsman (59), hasn't had that mentioned at all. It's pretty odd. It would make a lot more sense to me if the "Man, you're great at x skill" message was actually delivered when you WERE great at x skill.



I'm afraid that this conversations says a lot about your personality. It was your reading comprehension that was incorrect. As you rightly identified, All Recognition doesn't make sense. Any Repair and All Reason make more sense. If you weren't aware of the alternative meanings, that's fine, but you really have no right to start dishing out the kind of message I've quoted when it was you accusing him of a lack of knowledge and it was you who had the lack of knowledge... FUBAR does mean any repair, all reason and all recognition. He has perfect right to decide which meaning of what he is saying is most appropriate for the situation. If I came up to you and asked vocally if you wanted a pear, and you said "a pair of what", there would be nothing wrong with my decision to correct you and say that I meant the fruit. There would be everything wrong with you then saying "I don't think you know what a pear is. Pairs come in twos." and then just being quite frankly rude and condescending when you find out from me that there is such a fruit as a pear and that yourself are wrong in your ideas. XD

Anyway, pardon the pun, but this is intended as an observation which could deliver some food for thought rather than with any ill intention. Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! Best wishes to you and your family.

This is what happens when you let MMO players play a game like Skyrim...grinding and whining about imbalance.

I must admit a I'm surprised a thread that started with:

"I grinded to get the skills I wanted high quick because I didn't want to be poor and weak and now have no incentive to play the game because for me levels=fun and damn Bethesda for forcing me to learn things I don't want to because I grinded the skills I wanted early and I wouldn't have an incentive to play because for me levels=fun"

has gone on for so long.

I salute your determination in sticking with this "debate" Skyrim forum community!

There is actually a fairly simple rule that, if followed, would stop the smithing and enchantment leveling issue.

DO NOT WAIT for storekeeps to reset their wares. Sure, buy all the ingots and train. But only once. Don't wait around. Go kill somebody.

Train your smithing only after you come back from another dungeon and the vendors restocks naturally. Same goes for magic. No spamming of spells outside needed use. If you can resist, no problem, just dont use the wait button. It will ruin you.

In short, stop grinding

Level 50 is the intended cap. Theoretically, going above that would increase your character stronger than the game intends you too. If you level up more skills than any warrior should, like dedicated time into casting spells, then you'll find yourself at an even higher level than previously possible. I like this function, because it allows you to have access to whatever style you want while limiting the player as little as possible.
That said, I'm not entirely thrilled that there is a limited number of perks per character. No longer can we e a jack of all trades, but I suppose this is to encourage you to create more character files that increase the likelihood that the player will have a larger variety of play styles in their experiences with the game. In my opinion instead of limiting the player, design harder and harder monsters to match the player's epic strength. Autoleveling like in Oblivion isn't the answer, but I like how they autoleveled in Skyrim. We can only hope they create an expansion to include a large variety much higher level monsters, not the same monsters leveled up to you. I digress...

Are you on pc or console. If pc you could try a skill uncapper mod. If console, some restraint in grinding and go and explore, at least give that approach a try first even if on pc before adding mods.

Fallout limits your level but gives you xp for kills and quests. You can get a lot higher in level in skyrim with skill use than having the capped level and reward xp of fallout. It sounds like you have become much too focused on leveling and not enough on enjoying the game itself.

The quests themselves I only do them if they fit in with what my character would do. Even if it means I have accumulated a lot of quests I'm never going to do in my journal.

I don't see the problem. You can churn out power and level quickly and effectively while still exploring the game just fine. It is all about just making a little plan.

People are making it sound like going for power should in any way or form "limit" you from enjoying the story or doing exploration, which it does not.

With this game this also serves a purpose, since unlike Oblivion, the scaling in Skyrim slowly brakes and then halts... which means power will eventually enable you to create a much more free character.... like swashbackling in fine clothes with an unenchanted a'likr scimitar while kicking dragon butt.

A 42nd level character can kill anything in the game in a few hits. Play however you want, don't worry about leveling up. You'll smash every enemy in the game if you never gained another level.

I know it can be annoying that there is nothing beyond 100 (aside from adding some perks), but the game is very streamlined like that.

You don't get Skyrim's game mechanics. This game is not about power leveling. It's not about being level 81. That's what you are doing wrong. Stop seeking the leetness. No one forces you to do anything.

Loot is leveled. Leveling up is rewarded, so grinding is rewarded. I don't know which level opens up the best quality loot. Perhaps 50? If the skills you care to use are only sufficient for carrying you to level 40, then you are out of luck.

well hes complaint is his stuck at it but if he wants to stick to his grinded build then he is the max level as by what hes doing he cant level up anymore unless he expands and if he doesnt his at his end of the line max lvl

I see what you're saying, but using a word as common as pear/pair is a bad example. I think the definition of FUBAR really depends on the situation it's used in, but doesn't work to describe Skyrim by any definition. Sure, there are flaws with the game, but I would not go as far as to say it's FUBARed. I did have a point, but I think that got lost in the way I put it across. I see how I came across and my only defense for that is probably frustration or annoyance. This debate has gone far too long, and people are still thinking it's ok to complain about something they themselves caused; just doesn't make sense to me, that.


I hope I took that into account in my response. Merry Christmas and a Happy New Beer, to you too.

I tend to do this myself at times. Usually when I am playing for the story and am bored or fed-up with a particual game's play style. Typically about half to three quarters of the way through a Final Fantasy game, when you get to that point where in order to progress in the story you need to be at a higher level, but in takes forever to get there and all you are doing is crawling the same dungen over and over.

That's what I like about the Elder Scrolls series. They're huge games (get my money's worth) which have good stories, and I don't NEED to spend eight hours doing the exact same thing just to continue the story.

Final Fantasy is actually a good example. As much as I love that series, grinding is actually required to stand a chances further in the game.

It sounds like the only thing you care about is what level you're at. It sounds like literally nothing else in the game matters, that the game IS to level.

I play the game doing quest and leveling sometimes, i'm lvl 45 now and i learnt everything i wanted (mainly the illusion and destruction master spells and perks). When do i go leveling skills? 1. When i want to play and have little time. 2. When i'm almost at a interesting perk or breakpoint to get new spells. When i thought it was time to lvl enchanting cause the gameplay demanded it (veeeeeeeeeeery hard to play mage without that), i did it.

I love the game played this way, cause sometimes i'm too imersed to mind leveling, and sometimes i'm too lazy to go questing.

Oh... about the post.... i didn get your point! Go kill dragons, they are destroying the villages o/

It can also give you problems if you grind alchemy and enchant for money without using the skills to help you in combat and you start to run into high level enemies.
As a mage character grinding smithing sounds stupid as you will not get the benefits.

Yet another thread where someone complains that they're being "forced" to do something. What is wrong with you people? Unless Bethesda is at your house with a gun to your head making you do things you don't want to then your not being forced to do crap.

Have freakin fun with the game it's not that difficult of a concept or stop playing altogether.

BTW power leveling takes all the fun out of the game. Go play a MMO.