there should be a dlc involving an effort to restore the enclave and the brotherhood sends you to check out the issue

I would like to see an Enclave DLC but I see one main problem. Most of the Enclave was wiped out by the Chosen One and then later on by the NCR. So unless this is a rogue cell that survived it's very unlikely that the Enclave elements from FO2 will be around 40 years later.

I want an Enclave DLC because I support their ideals. But when I ask them to open up to outsiders, the irradiated water I've been sneaking into their rations may sway their opinion.

Mabie. JUST MABIE . There was an Enclave vault that got locked by some software glitch right after the bombs dropped. And the other enclave decided to work on opening it after they reclaimed the wastes. But the Courier finds it via an automated distress signal. How about that. It seems perfectly reasonable. :thumbsup:

Not sure about an NV Enclave DLC but I just read an interesting passage in the Fallout Bible

2077. March. Prepared for a nuclear or biological attack from China, the president and the
Enclave retreats to remote sections around the globe and make contingency
plans for continuing the war.

That's the 'Get out of jail free card' for the enclave right there ladies and Gentlemen..
They could be anywhere... Scheming....

Except its been confirmed that the Fallout Bible is only semi-canon at this point. Certain parts from the Bible are only canon if they do not contradict things from the games and are backed up with information in-game. Since we've seen no evidence of Enclave bases in the wider world, we can assume at this point that they do not exist. Now if in Fallout 2, Richardson had said something like "Oh yeah we got help from our base in France" then we'd have a case for that passage.

USA is encredibly big in all the 4 FO's we onlly have seen a small portion of it so it's perfectelly plausible the Enclave is not gone they maigth be cripled but not gone

Yeah people bring that up sometimes, Richardson disagrees:

{273}{prs54}{You could try, I suppose, but soon the staff of the Enclave and Navarro will be inoculated.}

Enclave refering - as with almost every instance of that word being spoken in-game - to the Oil Rig herself; he has no reason to lie, he is gloating and proclaiming his willingness even to maytrdom. Enclave and Navarro will soon be innoculated and your mutant mainland ass can't do anything to stop the revival of the human race.

I think we can assume;

The Oil Rig was destroyed.
Raven Rock was destroyed.
Adams AFB was destroyed.
The Remnants fought and died at Hoover Dam.

There's absolutely nothing left of the Enclave as far as I am concerned. And while Obsidian could pull some secret lair out of their collective ass, it would ruin the lore.

Enclave's done. The Brotherhood's fractured, too, I really doubt we'll be seeing either of these factions in force anymore.

there is one more location in F in vault 12 there was another location that we could contact if i'm not mistaquen

anyway BoS fractured yes sure california ect is preaty much wiped out but DC BoS is active recruting with the enclave burned to ash there you really think they what whent extint they are not hiding ina bunker they are growing

While I don't think they should have a DLC, all you jag-offs trying to rag on this poor guy by saying the Enclave is dead are completely wrong. Even those saying its' 90-some percent dead.. you guys are wrong too. From the confirmed info we get in New Vegas, through E-DE's companion quest, it's a fact that the Enclave remain in control of the Chicago area with multiple outposts. I say this because The Burned Game is not considered canon, so we don't know how the Midwestern Brotherhood of Steel really has fared. New Vegas IS canon, and it says the Enclave are alive, if not well, and control a Midwestern Metropolis.

It alludes to the Enclave having some outposts in Chicago which felt the need to repair a prototype piece of military equipment with licence plates, doesn't strike me as being well in control of anything.

Considering the fact that Chicago was the metropolis of the midwest, with Midwest being one of the Commonwealths, it can be safe to assume it was hit by any number of warheads. The sheer fact that the Enclave has multiple outposts in such a place is enough to make me think they have a handle on the area. I doubt Chicago was as prepared for nuclear armageddon as D.C. was, what with Raven Rock and all, so for the Enclave to have a presence in multiple areas of the city is testament to control of the area, I think.

Outposts, not permenant military installations but small semi-autoninous camps that receive orders from superiors in Raven Rock. In any event hardly enough people to continue to exist without some serious interbreeding. Besides, the state of Illinois is largely patrolled and controlled by the http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Midwestern_Brotherhood_of_Steel.

I still support my idea that there si a hidden bunker in the NV map or in some new DLC that was perminatly sealed after the war by a hardware malfunction. And the enclave decided not to help open it untill after they cleansed the wastes. So mabie the courier can find a radio broadcast and find a group of people trying open it and he when he gets there they are about to open it and after talking to the leader of the group he goes in with them. There he finds a small-medium ( mabie large) bunker filled with enclave.
And don't Say they couldn't of lasted that long because Vauld 101 did.

Then how do they cleanse the wastes if it they aren't going to open it?



So what your suggesting is that this bunker has existed since before the War? Which would also mean that they don't have any Power Armour aside from T-51b; oh and the fact that no Enclave locations existed before F3 aside from the ENCLAVE Oil Rig and Navarro, confirmed by the President himself.

I dont think you relize that we have only been over to Nevada, California, and in the west...there are PLENTY other locations in Fallout.

In a DLC, it would be nice to see the Enclave Remnants and how they're doing, but obviously their role needs to be quite small, not the main focus.

Maybe you don't realise that the idea of them being anywhere other than the Oil Rig and Navarro is not only absurd from a purely speculative point but also confirmed by the President in Fallout 2.

No it's not. You think the remnants of the pre-war Enclave in Australia would follow the leadership of racist lunatics from the other side of the world, whom they haven't heard in 200 years.

Really thats funny...but they were in the East...in DC. Bethesda will change it to there liking. Just because it was said in F2 doesnt mean anything anymore since they were already in DC. They can be anywhere else.

Yeah, it's called the Enclave in D.C. came from Navarro, confirmed.

The Enclave are by now means dead, I am sure we will see them in future Fallout games as either a enemy or a ally. With their doctrine of killing all mutants meaning that they can't get all that many new member's from the Wastes, that means a change of doctrine is in order for them to survive. Besides that there are military base's all over and for all we know they have a base on the Moon or in orbit.

Unfortunately, the Midwestern Brotherhood of Steel was featured in Fallout Tactics, which is not considered canon. According to Fallout 3, only a small, rogue detachment of the Brotherhood of Steel survives in Illinois, not the semi-autonomous empire consisting of humans, deathclaws, mutants, and ghouls, led by airship-crash-survivors, that one can create when playing the game. This would mean, in canon the Brotherhood has one small outpost, compared with the "small semi-autonomous camps" you would say the Enclave controls from the word 'outposts.' So, the Brotherhood has one, "small semi-autonomous camp."

P.S.

For those who don't know, Fallout Tactics: Brotherhood of Steel contains many an innaccuracy and departure from the Fallout series.
Just from the wikia:

-The setting is not retro 1950s, but instead a mix of modern and world war II tech,
-the Brotherhood's origin story is completely changed and retconned (later retconned back to the original in Fallout 3, casting more doubt on anything from this game, like the Midwest BOS),
-Fossile Fuels are plentiful, even for raiders, along with gas-powered vehicles, meaning the Resource Wars didn't happen. This subsequently means the Great War should not have happened
-The Brotherhood can easily manufacture new power-armor suits, rather than simply maintain them as canon says they do
-Vault 0 is not designed like a Vault Experiment Vault
-Ghouls suffer Rad Poisoning

Actually high-level events of Tactics are canon, whilst the ending of tactics is not known it is known that the Calculator, Vault 0 and all that [censored] happened. The Enclave have outposts which repaired ED-E with [censored] licence plates. I can't tell whether you keep refering the the camps like that as some kind of insult so whatever, they were outposts far from Raven Rock or Navarro whilst it still exists and will have largely managed themselves and not relied on the main Enclave for supplies, given the distance and the Enclave's own need for secrecy. I see no reason why the Enclave is a powerhouse in Illios, especially given the state the Enclave was in in 2242 and the state which ED-E turned up in.