EyefinitySurround UI Issues [Merged Similar Topics]

Post » Thu May 31, 2012 11:41 pm

Use the existing mod in the mean time, it supports up to 5760x2160

http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=3863

Nah it doesn't work, thier beautiful menus are all stretched too.

The widescreen hacks over at WSGF use memory locations to specifically resize certain menus.

Every time bethesda updates the game the memory address' change, requiring new hacks to be made.

if the devs could fix the menu resizing, hundreds of people wouldn't have to rely on these 2 guys fixing it, and we could finally start playing the game in all it's glory.

can you at least pass this issue on to the dev team ?

just tell them to google "skyrim eyefinity" and they will find hundreds of pages.
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Post » Thu May 31, 2012 6:46 pm

Those problems would have nothing do with the UI. SkyUI is mostly done outside an editor from what I understand. The UI is XML if I remember correctly. I do not follow the UI discussion as the stock one is fine for me since the patch. But, I don't play in an ultra wide resolution. I can only imagine how weird it must be if the UI is stretched across a set up like that. I also don't know the reason why Bethesda does not make the UI scalable, and perhaps it is the reason the SkyUI folks have not done it yet.

I never said the CK problems had anything to do with the UI! (Edit: On reflection, maybe I read that wrong and you meant the game UI - or not!)

I have no interest in SkyUI - other than a wish to know if the makers are going to add a true widescreen fix!

As I said, 'The 'extended' preset is great for the CK* as it happens!' and to be truthful the 'eyefinity' preset is good for CK too. I prefer CK in extended as it is easy to have full screen CK on one monitor, full screen render window on other and use the third screen for my web browser for tutorials or such or run Skyrim alongside the CK. :smile:

When not played in widescreen, the game UI is great. Personally, I prefer it to SkyUI and that is why I do not want SkyUI. :smile:

The CK issues I and others have found have nothing to do with how the game UI is displayed or the game is played - save for the interaction between game, mods and CK.

The game Skyrim is great. The wide screen issue* is just a real let down for some.

The CK is great but has totally different issues to the game - it is 'early days' and I'm positive about the idea that Beth monitors user issues and acts on them - as can be seen through the Skyrim updates so far.

EDIT: Forgot to say - thanks CCNA - your input seems to me to be honest in the sense it comes from a different perspective and is greatly appreciated. And, yeah! The scaling issue makes Skyrim menus in ultra wide / widescreen / multi monitor and such look really weird!

*See below.




For any one that does not understand what the 'widescreen' issue is I'll set it out.

When I and others say widescreen we are maybe confusing some as we do not mean the widescreen aspect ratio options in the game launcher options. Rather, we mean multi monitor setups such as my ATI eyefinity 3 monitors set up in landscape side by side (3*1) or similar Nvidia surround. As I understand it 3*1 is a common setup with multi monitor users but other configurations with more monitors are available.

When running the game on a multi monitor rig with the monitors being exact duplicates of the primary monitor, you get three (in 3*1) visual instances of the game - one on each monitor. This is useful to some and silly to others! No fix need here.

When using an 'extended' configuration of multi monitors where two monitors extend the desktop from the primary monitor, one monitor shows the game (fantastically) and the other monitors can be used for something else - as I say, this is great for running both the game and the CK together. No fix needed.

The problem arises when switching the monitors to surround (nvidia) or eyefintiy (ATI). In this case, the computer treats the three (or more) monitors as one big moitor.

When using surround or eyefinity the game looks amazing and, in most cases it seems, plays wonderfully. That is all well and fine until you try to use some of the in game menus or map or books for example. In widescreen / multimonitor the UI for such menus etc is scaled incorrectly and as a result the menus etc are either 'zoomed in' or squashed - in either case the UI can (and does) become unusable as some information cannot be seen and / or menu options are off screen and difficult to use.

The guys at WSGF (and others) have released fixes for the scaling issue seen in multi monitor set ups and these fixes work great until Skyrim is upgraded and the (now old) fixes are useless until they are upgraded.

The general sentiment in the widescreen community seems to be that if third parties can fix the widescreen issue then Beth should be able to and not make it so that customers have to go to a third party for fixes. It is really frustrating for some that each time Beth updates skyrim, widescreen becomes unusable.

This problem of lack of widescreen / multimonitor support for Skyrim has nothing to do with the CK or SkyUI or the graphics card manufacturers or drivers. The problem is a Skyrim scaling issue. And has everything to do with the Skyrim UI.

http://www.amd.com/us/products/technologies/amd-eyefinity-technology/Pages/eyefinity.aspx

http://www.nvidia.co.uk/object/3d-vision-surround-technology-uk.html

http://www.nvidia.co.uk/object/3d-vision-surround-technology-uk.html - The whole thread is interesting but post #25 shows the issue I describe in images.
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Post » Thu May 31, 2012 6:30 pm

It has been posted that HayDeN at WSG will release a new WSG fix tomorrow (Sunday the 26th). Of course Bethesda already has a new beta out (??) so probibally when they go live with that it will break the latest fix.
I have not played SKYRIM in a few weeks now. If the new fix comes out I will try again but I know one thing for sure, I will not buy and expansions or DLC until Bethesda themselvs fix this issue.
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Post » Fri Jun 01, 2012 2:14 am

I prefer HayDen's fixes, but currently I am using the latest Cheat Engine table to fix the menus in Eyefinity. Its ok, not the best, but it works.
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Post » Fri Jun 01, 2012 7:29 am

Those problems would have nothing do with the UI. SkyUI is mostly done outside an editor from what I understand. The UI is XML if I remember correctly. I do not follow the UI discussion as the stock one is fine for me since the patch. But, I don't play in an ultra wide resolution. I can only imagine how weird it must be if the UI is stretched across a set up like that. I also don't know the reason why Bethesda does not make the UI scalable, and perhaps it is the reason the SkyUI folks have not done it yet.

I'm not sure if you've looked at any of the images or links we've provided. It doesn't just "stretch the UI", it scales it by the horizontal size of the screen, meaning the vertical display maintains the original aspect ratio.

In order to do that, it displays fewer menu elements vertically, essentially "zooming in" on the vertical-center part of the UI. So most of the important parts of the inventory are off-screen, and if you're lucky you can see one line of candidate dialogue-reply text, so you have to scroll to see more. That sort of thing.

It would drive home the idea that this really isn't in a playable state if you looked at the images or the video I posted.

It's incredible to me that something this trivial for Bethesda to repair has been known by the community for so long, and yet third parties are the only ones taking any kind of action. Even disassembling Bethesda's software and mucking with memory regions directly.
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Post » Fri Jun 01, 2012 7:43 am

Hello
Is there any supported and final fix for this?
HaYDeN's solution stop working since I have installed the high texture packs
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Post » Fri Jun 01, 2012 7:47 am

I love the Elder Scrolls games, and I love them even more in Eyefinity... but having my game break EVERY PATCH is making me regret it. PLEASE fix the menu's in Eyefinity. The game works flawlessly already in Eyefinity except for the menu's and hud.Of course, that kind of makes the game unplayable!
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Post » Fri Jun 01, 2012 2:29 am

Well I was hoping HaYDeN would have rolled out an update to his fix this past weekend but that didn't pan out. Now we have another update that will likely negate the work he had done for the 1.4 patch. Bethesda should fix this. How could it be that out of all the employees there, not one appreciates seeing the beautiful game they created in all it's multi-monitor, immersive glory?
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Post » Fri Jun 01, 2012 1:44 am

Of course the game would be played in 5670x1080. But the menus are trash making the game unplayable. Why even bother providing support for that resolution when you can't even play it. They should be showing the feature off, not hiding under a rock when a fix is most likely something that can be done relatively easily.

My rig is not that crazy. I have 2 Geforce 560's and it didn't break the bank. I can imagine a lot of people having the multi monitor setup. Even bf3 fixed most of the issues so it is at least playable. I wonder why Bethesda doesn't do the same.

Please fix your game! Fix the menus in 5670x1080. It is so ghetto to have to rely on 2 guys to fix something that should have not even have been an issue upon release. This is so frustrating mainly because it is not even acknowledged. I feel like we are all just talking to a brick wall with no official word what so ever from a professional company with a defective product. This is a legitimate issue. How could you even think that people would not try to play the game at this resolution? I cannot understand how a company can even think to allow this. Surround sound and Eyefinity are great ways to show off all the work that has gone into this game. If I was a programmer that worked on another part of the game, I would be so upset with the UI programmers that were seemingly too lazy to fix something that prevented the game from being shown in all it's multiple monitor glory. It is truly so impressive and a great way to show off the game. But for some reason this does not quite click with you guys. Please understand that you are seriously shooting yourselves in the foot by not implementing this fix.
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Post » Thu May 31, 2012 5:38 pm

Dear Bethesda:
I would say that you are facing a clear bug and this post is showing enough evidence about what the problem is and you will be able to collect enough information and data for troubleshooting. (More than enough)
I would let you know as well that we were using a 3rd party application as a fix, but we would love to hear something from you.
Would you please, unless, let your customers know (US), that you know the issue and you are working on it?
Sincerely
ALL YOUR CUSTOMER USING freaking 5670x1080 RESOLUTION! and qsummon.
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Post » Thu May 31, 2012 5:35 pm

Just a quick thanks to the mod that unlocked this thread after it was accidentally locked! You know who you are. :)

I was, admitteddly angry as I thout the lock was a bad thing. Seems I was a bit rash though.

We all make mistakes.

Also, though I am just as eager for a wide screen fix as many others, I would like to remind everyone that the moderators are NOT the devs. LOL. :)
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Post » Thu May 31, 2012 4:24 pm

To Bethesda,

I specifically signed up on these forums so that I could post on this topic.

PLEASE support widescreen gaming!!!

Like many on this thread, I have used the 3rd party fixes from the guys at WSGF, but they are having a tough time keeping up with all the patches. I have played Skyrim in 5040 x 1050 and it rocks!!!!

I love your game, but I just can't bring myself to play single screen once I've experienced Skyrim world with Eyefinity.

PLEASE support widescreen gaming!! I suspect there are more like me that have not logged on to your forums to express their views.
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Post » Fri Jun 01, 2012 4:17 am

I haven't been able to play for a month since Steam updated without my say so.


I have no intention of DOWNGRADING my system in order to be able to play what is supposed to be a top tier game; NOBODY should have to do that. In fact, I need to put together a new tower, as this girl's getting kind of old.

After enjoying Oblivion so much, I expected more of the same from Skyrim. And was getting it, thanks primarily to the efforts of a hacker by the name of HaYDeN. Alas, independent programmers have to do things like go to work and spend time with their families.

I'd hoped that by now, someone at Bethesda who is PAID to work on this kind of thing would have put a fix together.

So here I am adding Bethesda to a list of companies I will not buy games from in the future, because they have shown they cannot be trusted with basic functionality like scaling for different display capabilities. You're in good company...DICE is there after 2142 deliberately thumbing its nose at more capable systems, and BF3 came out with simple UI issues known early on in beta never being fixed.


-a customer who wants his $ back, if he can't have his game back-
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Post » Thu May 31, 2012 9:13 pm

I would recommend to all to send a direct email to Bethesda demanding at least to acknowledge the issue or asking for your money back
Here is the link
http://www.gamesas.com/eng/contact_email.php
Looks like this forum is not helping at all

Here is a copy of mine

Hello
I'm a huge fan of The Elder Scroll Games, but Skyrim is not working and Bethesda is not even acknowledging the issue
Game is not working on resolution 5670x1080, Menu, Dialogs are not working

I was using an third party fix, but now is not working anymore
After several weeks of wait I have no choice of at least acknowledge the issue and fix it or give me my money back.

You can find more information on http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1340144-eyefinitysurround-ui-issues-merged-similar-topics/page__pid__20418269__st__60#entry20418269

I'm really disappointed about how Bethesda is ignoring the issue

Thanks
Marcelo

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Post » Thu May 31, 2012 8:29 pm

I would recommend to all to send a direct email to Bethesda demanding at least to acknowledge the issue or asking for your money back

I hope that this approach will work and have just sent my plea to the UK 'branch' from the link given.




Hello,

I'm a fan of The Elder Scroll Games and bought Skyrim as soon as I could after release.

The thing is, Skyrim is not working correctly with my Eyefinity (3*1) rig at resolutions 5760x1080 or 5670x1080 nor is Skyrim working correctly at other wide screen

resolutions - as can be seen at:

Bethesda Forums thread: http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1340144-eyefinitysurround-ui-issues-merged-similar-topics/page__pid__20418269__st__60#entry20418269.

Wide Screen Gaming Forums: http://widescreengamingforum.com/forum/forums/gaming/requestdiscuss-game-solutions/18156/skyrim-multi-monitor-user-interface-fix-disc.

Both ATI Eyefinity and Nvidia Surround at varying configurations are affected by the same problem.

The problem is that though the game plays very well in wide screen multi monitor resolutions, some game loading screens, menus and dialogues do not scale correctly for such

resolutions and the result is that they appear zoomed in with large important parts off screen. The problem makes the game unplayable in wide screen / multi monitor setups as

the zooming makes menus and such unusable.

I was using a third party fix found on the Wide Screen Gamers Forums, but now that fix is not working anymore as it is made by a third party who seems not to have time to

update it. Furthermore, each time Skyrim is updated, the fix becomes useless until updated - thus the game is again unplayable widescreen multi monitor resolutions.

It seems that other TES games work well with wide screen multi monitor resolutions and it seems to me and many other Bethesda customers (see links for citation) that Skyrim

should be updated to run properley on widescreen multi monitor resolutions. Though the posters on both linked forums may be seen as a vocal minority, I am sure they are not

the only people affected by this problem - Skyrim is repotedly a big seller!

I'm really disappointed about how Bethesda seems to be ignoring this issue - surely it has been passed to the devs by the community forum team or volunteer community forum

moderators! It is being reported here.

So, my game comment is - Skyrim looks outstanding with wides creen multi monitor resolutions and works great when 'patched' with the third party utility. My question is - is

Syrim going to be made to be widescreen multi monitor resolutions friendly? And my sugestion is that Skyrim should be made to work widescreen multi monitor resolutions.

Please could you fast track this problem to the Skyrim development team and other relevent parties at Bethesda?

There seems to be some hostility (view those links for example) towards Bethesda because people really love Skyrim, users know how great it would be if Skyrim had 'native'

widescreen multi monitor resolution compatibility and now that Skyrim has been out a while and the problem is well known. It would be great if Bethesda could restore the

waning trust in the company of people affected by this problem through updating Skyrim to full wide screen multi monitor resolutions compatibility or at the very least give a

reaspnable explanation as to why this problem cannot be sorted 'in house' by Bethesda so that Skyrim users do not need to depend on third party fixes for what is otherwise an

excellent game.

Thanks.




Though I did correct the spelling! ;)

Here's hoping!
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Post » Thu May 31, 2012 10:48 pm

For goodness sakes it's flippin March and Beth's only response/acknowledgement to this issue has been, "Um, we don't support multiple monitors....please change back to 1 monitor, please".

What?

Are you kidding me?

Is this not Bethesda/Skyrim...The #1 Game that single handedly lowered overall PC Game sales since its release date?

Really?

You're joking, right?

Might I remind you that it's March, again...and I've read hundreds, if not thousands of posts from 'Frustrated Wide Screen Gamers' asking politely for a simple answer...Months have gone by and still not a single acceptable response has been released..

Not even a...

1. "Hey, as popular as this game is, a Wide-Screen Fix will be implemented in the near future."
2. "We understand your frustration, we'll look into it and address the problem."
3. "You got us! We dropped the football on this one and should have caught it before launch."
4. "Hah! April Fools...The fix will be in the next update to be released 4/1/12."
5. "Widescreen gaming?? What's that? Tell me more about this you will!"

I would take flippin anything at this point! Write it on a damn napkin and slide it underneath the table like my friends wife did to me the other night. I won't blush nor say 'No'....Just stop the damn silent treatment or this relationship is just not going to work anymore.
I will break-up with you, Beth.

Might I remind you that it's March, again...and we haven't spoken in 4 months.

I've read posts from so many people that try and kiss Beth's butt for an answer, apologize for raising their voice, and dance around the real truth that this 'Menu Problem' is a very simple issue that can be easily fixed by your designers....which will ultimately make MANY MANY
faithful Beth Fans happy! This is not Fluff...This is Truth!

Why should we have to rely on Third Party designers to play your game? I just don't get it??

I also don't understand when Nvidia Surround/ATI Eyefinity are advertising their product like the dikeens, Monitor costs are currently dirt cheap and Widescreen Gamers are being produced faster than a Barn Full of Rabbits...yet Beth is turning her sweet cheek to such a dedicated
group of consumers.

I mean, throw me a bone here?

Why?

I'm completely confused on this...Baffled....I feel like you just told me that I was adopted.

What did we ever do to you anyways?? All we did was build a sweet system to drool over you, Beth? I'm not going to sugar coat it anymore because I'm sick of being bent over the couch and forced to play Minecraft until a fix is released. Four months of Axing/Shoveling
Dirt with a Diamond pick is all I can handle. I've been so bored that at one point I actually video taped my face while playing minecraft and realized after 1 hour of straight playing/'picking' I looked 100%...completely retardo in the face. Let's be honest...If I built this flippin rig for Minecraft, then I was either still delusional from the wifey yanking me to see the 'Vow' or I was unable to find a 'mint condition' Commodore 64...

Take my comments how you may, but from the sounds of it--they are complementary. Spending $5k on a system, for a Multiple Monitor supported game that I had complete faith in, is a sweet sweet complement...And for such love & popularity, Skyrim/Beth can't even get the correct Menu Scaling issue resolved!?
Basic, older, more primitive/childish games already work with Multiple Monitor Gaming....which, truthfully, is the funniest part of this whole 4+ month long plea...

Did I mention that it was MARCH!?

If I may, I'd like to introduce an anology....It's like buying a Ferrari without a steering wheel...For God Sakes, if a consumer brought back his brand new Ferrari to the dealership and reminded the Dealer that they forgot to install a damn steering wheel, the sales person would not stare at the ceiling and give
him the silent treatment. He would give him a wheel so that same guy could go out & enjoy his toy/rig...the same toy/rig that he built/saved up for these past two years!

...And forgive me if Beth is actually a female...If I may...It's like purchasing a Louis Vuitton bag and realizing it has no shoulder straps...You would not want to carry this purse anymore and you would demand the store implement an easy fix to sew some damn straps on...Wouldn't you!?


....The fact is that it's MARCH and MARCH MADNESS happens during this month and I would love to see Beth let down her hair a little bit...maybe hike up her skirt a smidge and do something for her audience that we haven't seen before...Let's get a little CrAzY, Beth!?
What do ya say, Ol Girl...Let's give em something to talk about.


How about it, Beth?

How about telling us when a permanent fix, for Wide Screen Gamers, is going to happen? Just a hint...a hopeful thought...a wing or a prayer.

So many are waiting for you to speak (with hopeful promise) during the month of MARCH.....I Love You, Beth. I look forward to hearing from you.


P.S. I apologize about my friend's wife...Won't happen again.


With Love & Respect,
~MaxSharp
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Post » Thu May 31, 2012 11:38 pm

Still waiting fix from the Skyrim release. Fixes from WSGF doesn't working for me due to non-English localization.
I wonder WHY this trivial bug doesn't fixed yet!
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Post » Thu May 31, 2012 6:56 pm

MaxSharp, well said. Time to stop dancing around what so many of us are feeling.
And that is why I have now stopped playing SKYRIM. I really like the game but it is not worth all this work. Work and aggravation required to have fun? Nonsense. I am not going to play games on a single screen, may as well get a console, something that I am not interested in doing. When I show my clients what they can do with a high end rig SKYRIM in wide screen really got their attention. No longer because the latest patch broke the WSG menu fix again. I am not going to spend day after day fixing and re-fixing a game or having to look for an updated fix.
Bethesda may as well just go to making console games for all I now care. They have lost me as a customer and a fan.
Perhaps in six months or a year or so I will check back to see if they have fixed it. if so I will reload it and play, that is if there are no other good wide screen games out which is something I doubt will be the case.
A continually successful company strives to satisfy all of its customers and while that is not always possible they should at least never openly disrespect any of them, especially those that are leading edge. I feel disrespected.
I intend to cover this topic in one of my upcoming webcasts. I am truly amazed that they dropped the ball like this and that they do not even provide an intelligent and at lease respectful response.
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Post » Fri Jun 01, 2012 7:49 am

I received the following response:

"Hi,

Currently, this game does not support SLI, Eyefinity, or Dual Monitor viewing. We do not provide any troubleshooting support for these. If you are encountering an issue in running any of these setups or variations of them, please disable them so that you are running one monitor.

Regards,
Bethesda Support"


How far has the PC gaming industry gone that moderately high end (SLI) configurations are not supported. The money that I paid (through Steam, so it should have better margin than paying for a disc on Xbox or ps3) apparently isn't worth decent support. I guess that I shouldn't spend money on video cards if there isn't support from gaming/software companies... disappointing.
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Post » Fri Jun 01, 2012 1:34 am

A good point, I know that there are some super new GPU's comming out and I usually upgrade but I am going to pass this time. My present GPU's handle any of the latest games that are mainly console ports just fine. No need for upgraded GPU's this year.
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Post » Thu May 31, 2012 4:14 pm

I guess this would be easier to believe if the escape menu didn't work fine in eyefinity.
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Post » Fri Jun 01, 2012 12:39 am

I was able to get my money back from Steam
This will be the first elder scroll I will not be able to play, sad but true and the sad part is because a small bug that was fixed by a guy with time and knowledge (Hyden's fix) and Bethesda could not reproduce the same fix by their developers, as I said sad but true.
Bye bye Skyrim, You might be the best game of the year but you also are the biggest dissapointment of the decade. And Bethesda support basically svcks big time.
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Post » Fri Jun 01, 2012 2:49 am

How did you get your money back from Steam I tried and didnt work?????
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Post » Fri Jun 01, 2012 5:11 am

here is the email from Steam . I have replied back that this should be because the product is not working and not a "one-time service gesture".


Thank you for contacting Steam Support.

As with most software products, we do not offer refunds or exchanges on games, DLC or in-game items purchased on our website or through the Steam Client.

As a one-time customer service gesture we can issue you store credit for the amount of your purchase into your Steam Wallet. The credit will also remove the title or item from your account.

Please confirm that you would like us to proceed with this credit.


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Post » Thu May 31, 2012 4:49 pm

Still, a nice gesture from Steam.

From now on I am waiting for new games to be released and then taking a few days to be sure that they do what I want before I buy. No more pre orders, If no wide screen gaming then the choice is mine and I will not buy. In this case, as Oblivion worked well in surround and as they did not deny that it would work no matter how often many of us asked, I really expected it to work. SUPRISE!
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