It's a fair point, but everything I've read seems to indicate that different franchises and different titles within the same companies are fairly financially segregated. If they weren't, franchises would never be retired from lack of interest. It's similar to the film industry.

I mean The Last Airbender was a bad movie that made its money back, but it doesn't mean that I wouldn't want to see something like Iron Man simply because they're both Paramount Pictures productions. However, I would be very cautious about seeing the next M. Knight Shamalamadingdong film because arguably he hasn't made anything watchable since Unbreakable (and even that's debateable in some circles). I mean sure, Paramount has a lot more irons in the fire than Bethesda. But intellectual property is intellectual property and for all the similarities between TES and Fallout, they are very different games under the hood... they're even different games from sequel to sequel.

That's the idea I apply to this situation. I'm pissed off at Bethesda for F:NV but not for TES. And I wouldn't be surprised if the guy that ruined F:NV by insisting that the release date be met is different from the guy that decided to postpone the release of Oblivion for the PS3 back in the day. The former shows terrible judgment and the latter, good judgment.

It wouldn't have mattered when they released it anyhow NV was doomed when the choice for the game engine was made it wouldn't matter if they kept the date back 1 year and messed with all the game code it'd still be a broken game the only way to fix this is making a more stable engine, however they chose to shaft the consumer and save some money. So lesson learned add gamesas and Obsidian to your Don't buy list! Unless they do something spectacular like release FO:NV GOTY with a new engine for free to who ever bought the broken launch one then I'd consider buying from them again. Hell if they'd admit they screwed us over and apologized I'd feel better about buying from them but until then your Dead to me Bethesda! :dead:

Long time Fallout fan, first time poster.

I bet I have 80 hours in FO3 with maybe 3-4 freezes total. Received NV as a gift and was really looking forward to another world to explore. I have maybe 2 hours in and I am at a point where I cannot fast travel or enter buildings without freezing. I followed all the aforementioned suggestions and still have the same issue. PS3 is current and NV is patched to 1.02 (it loaded today). Which I think exacerbated the problem.

I have been in software my entire career and currently as a software development project manager. I can tell you if I had put out such buggy software I would be in an unemployment line right now if I tried and serve something like this to a business consumer. Bethseda your only saving grace is that you are not really accountable to the end user. I feel bad for the younger folks who save up their hard earned money for weeks or months only to get burned by a software provider who decides to clone rather than write new code. Maybe you don't care because you don't have to, if you can live with that so be it.

This is absolutely absurd to a drive such a product to the market. I sincerely hope that you correct and stand behind your product, there are millions of frustrated consumers out here. If not I only wish your PM and staff that worked on NV get what they deserve which would involve a visit to the unemployment office. Maybe then they will realize how hard their users have to work in the current economy and then get burned by some poorly tested or designed software.

Minimally I would feel apologies would be in order and some form of refund process. Maybe the NV team could code this part correctly since they obviously aren't intent on correcting this software.

Good luck, may the market have mercy on your souls.

I'm sorry none of the suggestions worked for you, and thank-you for not blaming me,unlike some other people...

I'm not trying to cast aspersions on anyone posting here, but I would like to say that compassion (in any sense of the word) here in defense of a company that would allow any product, let alone multiple titles, to hit the shelves with the kind of issues I've experienced (even TES titles have been known to crash occasionally) is utterly misplaced. How many other companies have delayed titles for years before releasing them so that they come to the table more fully functional? This speaks of a fundamental lack of QA and concern for their customer base. It's almost as if they've applied an algorithm to their product release plan to determine if the money they make from pre-holiday release will offset any back-end repair costs + customer backlash...and we come out on the losing end.

Again, I'm not trying to sway anyone who plans on buying other titles from gamesas/Obsidian. What I would like to ask is this: how far have our expectations been lowered over the years that we would accept any product from a company that allows for this level of failure in more than one of their products?

thx for your tips on top of this topic.
I never got this freezing of my ps3 console with other games - and I played many others. Therefore I dont think thr readon for the freezes are not a corrupted filesystem of my ps3.
Some of this your tips can help i really think, such like turning off autosave or the killcam. But this let me loose most of the comfort and fun.

What a shame, we have to turn off all the features of the game just to get it running for more than a hour.
No other chance to see the end of the story?

Bethesda, will you spend me a new TV if i throw my ps3 controller into the screen?

going into safe mode and restoring your file system is the best thing you can do. it's not how your trying to think about it, Fallout installed itself on your system, right? that's why you go into safe mode. if any corrupt files got installed restoring your file system will get rid of them. just because your other games don't have this problem doesn't mean anything.

OK, I followed most of the suggestions, except the safe mode for PS3 in that, if a game would corrupt the PS3 OS, then it should not have been released. Anyway, I did not think there was a problem with the OS, so I made the changes in the GAME settings only, not the PS3 OS. Turned off all the music, sound, etc...changed the game displays other than AMBER, turned off the AUTOSAVE settings. I liked the AUTOSAVE feature, because i like trying different reply options, but now I have to save manually, so I am flexible, and followed the tips and suggestions. Finally made it to level 30, with Arcade, and Rex as companions. Through the gameplay, I still experienced "hangs" and freezing". Meaning, from level 12 to level 30, still had MANY freezes. SO, it appears that the suggestions, although I think is a blanket approach, still does not cover the issues of this game. The least that can be done for the consumers, is after a new patch to resolve all issues, is to provide a DLC that is free, or at a discounted price. This suggestion is to keep the customer base. To rebuild reputation with your customers is to show some sort of good faith gesture.

My New Vegas game only freezes in certain areas, or randomly in other zones. Most popular places for me are: Camp Forlorn Hope, and Westside near the pawn shop. I love the game's music, and find the radio to be entertaining... I'd be quite sad to "have" to disable it... Fallout 3's radio station never plays for me for the PC, which is why I bought it all over again for the ps3 (yep, that means I got two copies.... $49.00 each ). I love this game though, I hope they do better in future releases.

**Edit**
I don't know if this is a true cause for freezes, but mine seem to happen a bit more at night in westside. Perhaps the game's got too much to load during night transitions? Textures, music, etc?

restoring the file system has nothing to do with the OS, unless there's a corrupted file. You do it to 1.make sure your saves aren't corrupted,

and 2. to get rid of any corrupt files that the GAME installed.

it has nothing to do with the OS

So far my game has only frozen 3 times (i've played about 30 hours).
I find it that playing offline (not connected to the PS Network) makes the game run more smooth, at least for me.

I don't really need an active connection to play this game so it's fine with me.

OK, good nuff, and I can sense a little frustration on your part. regardless. Restored the File System. It showed that the file system was corrupted, so I restored. Played abuot 15 mins, and it froze again. Well, I think you've done alot to help, and it seems the onus is now on the developers/distributors. SAD day in the game industry to have corporations like this take advantage of people. It's just not right.

I completely agree, I'm not trying to back up Bethesda or anything, and I'm sorry none of the things helped. the only reason they're there is because a few players did notice a change in their gameplay experience, and I said in the original post that none of the suggestions might actually work for you, because of the size of the game. not saying that you didn't see that, victor, but for OTHERS out there, let it be known;

I'm not to be held accountable if none of the tips work. I didn't put them there for [censored] and giggles, but because more than one person noticed that it made a difference. if they didn't work for you, I'm sorry, maybe go complain to the developer and publisher, the people responsible for this.

sounds reasonable, I'll throw it up.

although from personal experience I hardly played signed into PSN, as there wasn't any reason to. (for fallout)

I find that when I get a total freeze, I just hit the eject button and take the disc out. Usually after a minute it goes to the XMB. That at least saves from restarting the system or hardkilling the ps3 with the power switch on back.

I don't know about this, as ejecting a disc while it's spinning isn't usually recommended. I'd rather just press the power button and leave it off for a while. personally, i never restarted the system right after a freeze, but if others want to risk it, feel free.

um, it stops the disc first, then ejects it. it's not like it comes out spinning and flies across the room.. lol

when did I say it did? and again, I'd rather not risk it when turning off the system doesn't have any adverse effects.

It does when its half way through a save and crashes, imo this game has ruined my ps3, never been the same scince i put nv in the drive. The tips listed do help but when u buy a brand new car shud u have to disable the features to get it to drive for more than 10 mins????? im very unhappy with this release and think i have been ripped off.... now i need a new ps3

that wasn't what we were talking about, if you ejected the disc after it crashed during a save it would be no better (or probably worse) than pressing the power button.

but anyway...

I like the comparison, it actually made me laugh out loud. but I didn't make the game, so if your complaint is addressed towards me, you have the wrong person as I completely agree with you. my system hasn't shown any negative effects since purchasig new vegas, but it's only a year old, so I could just be lucky.

Damn shame that blue collar people like ourselves waste money on a game that is barely playable.
I wonder what the developers think " oh well they bought it, money in the bank, lets cut our losses" could that be the case? If it is shame on you Bethesda, for pooping this game out and pooping on us at the same time, this is what we get for being loyal fans to you? Wasted money and frustration. I would never recommend FNV to anyone for buying, absolutely not. I bought this game because i loved Fallout 3 which had bugs but nothing compared to New Vegas, it just seems like they milked Fallout 3 success, and milked our hard earned caps as well. I understand these types of games are very "Complicated" with coding and all, but hell, who ever made Fallout 3 did it..why couldn't you guys with New Vegas?

Damn shame, I will be trading the game in to "cut my losses" :cryvaultboy:
Probably get 10 bucks for it

Im not aiming any complaints towards you, thank you for spending the time putting together these tips to aid smoothness of running.... if only the developers wud do such wonders. I was just stating that crashing halfway thru a save and reseting will cause issues. Had the people who sold the game to me put a warning on the box saying "not compatible with original ps3, may damage the system" i wud have saved my ￡45 and bought a 360. Its ruined my system, having to reset the system from a crash more times than i can remember hasnt done it any good....

that svcks man, i've seen some posts about people with similar problems, and if it actually damaged your system, there's an interesting post on the new vegas forums somewhere(I'll try and post a link, I'm on an iPhone and can only do so much with stupid safari) about people in the UK may have a chance to go to court against the offices there for some kind of false sale charges or something.

here it is.

http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1150964-my-feelings-on-fallout-new-vegas/page__pid__16895630#entry16895630

Thanks, Very interesting..... It states that i have to go back to the retailer who sold me FONV, they might credit the game (allthough ive shelved it for so long waiting for a fix they prob say its to late) i dont think sainsburys are going to give me the money to buy a new hdd and to fix my ps3 tho.... imo claiming off the retailer is wrong and the people who made-released the game shud fess up and sort out all the people who now have broken original ps3s... instead of trying to say it was a coincidence that FONV was in the drive. if the game is so tuff on old systems where was the disclaimer saying it will probably destroy the system!