Yes really at least on my system though those games only really broke with the DLC at least for me note I didn't get the DLC for FONV though because of what happend with FO3.

What system is that?

I dont want to belittle your problem.... if your unable to play four fallouts im sorry.... I didnt buy either Fallout untill aproximatly a year after their realease.... but havnt had any serious problems with either one..... and have all DLCs for both.... in fact I have several friends whose go-to games either FONV or Oblivion.... they play em all day every day like others play Call of Bootie

I've never encountered any problem in either Fallout that wasnt fixed by deleting my massive amount of saves.

Whatever problems your having, not to sound callous, but your probably part of a verry small minority.

Indeed. With these standards, we would not be playing very many games, not only because of the standards for "quality" (read perfection), but because no publisher, producer or manufacturer would have reason to make games as they wouldn't be able to make any money from any game that wasn't perfect.

@Charmer- I think you're being a bit hard on the makers of Skyrim. I also think that your belief that they don't care will be assuaged with time. We're only one month out from release and the team will be working on support for the title for a year or more.

I get that you are upset about issues you are having with your game, but do not let your feelings turn your desires punitive. Do you want Skyrim to work better? Do you want more Elder Scrolls games in the future? If things worked the way you would have them this franchise would be done.

I play on the PS3 I just check both forums and saw this thread about the PS3 article but I respect your opinion and I understand what your saying the 360 version did play a lot better my friend has a 360 and I played his version a lot to.

I wanted skyrim to work the day I bought it, I wanted it to work the day they patched it...a month after both and its still not working...if Skyrim and the way in which Bethesda have handled themselves post release is anything to go by, the series for me, is done

Again, so many people happy to defend Bethesda and the mess they have sold to people under the pretense that its a fully working game, which for some, not all, but for some is not the case. There is no Warning on the game case of this GOTY that the game was released unfinished with multiple flaws only to be fixed by a lengthy online updating process

Punitive....my friend I have a game I cant play, a game that hasnt been playable for me, for two weeks....that during those two weeks, has halved its retail value here in the UK so even as a trade in, this GOTY isnt worth spit.....that in the two weeks I and others have been unable to fix it or find solutions to our issues has won GOTY status and Bethesda who released the broken bug riddled mess and failure to offer suitable support or communication, won title of Studio of the Year. So Bethesda shouldnt be held accountable but I must accept the punitive damages of paying full price for a game that doesnt work for me...and I should just sit in silence and wait for how ever long it takes for Bethesda to "fix it"

the article is spot on, my issues aside, those on the PS3 have had the worst of any issues across the platforms and is the main reason that the game and Bethesda do not deserve any rewards or awards for their..."work"

Skyrim knocked MW3 off of the top spot in the UK games charts this week, http://www.xbox360achievements.org/news/news-10342-Skyrim-DLC-Won-t-Be-Quick--Will-Be-Substantial--Says-Howard.html


lot of people dont understand how they will be unable to enjoy this broken game.

The fact its been selling since last Wednesday by most UK Retailers for ￡22.49 helped those figures but yeah...Bethesda better get their "stuff" together or people will be opening this on Xmas day, and being very unhappy by the end of it!

well since 1.3 be out before then i doubt anyone will be that unhappy at christmas, and even if was cheap in two stores that dont account for everyone else selling it.

By the end of Thursday most online retailers had price matched the discounted price both online and instore.

Well, yet to see when 1.3 will come out, and judging by what 1.2 did...yeah...I wouldnt assume 1.3 will be a perfect "fix"..it will still only put the game back to the point that 1.2 should have been, there are plenty of issues and quest bugs that wont be fixed until January according to Bethesda own admittance, and if the people happen to be PS3 gamers getting it as a gift...oh dear!

Not really. Skyrim deserves game of the year, same way Morrowind did.

A few posts have gone away. It's ok to express your displeasure with the company or the game. (although it is rather off topic for this section we've left this open as the article pertains to H&S problems) it is not ok to flame other members because they don't share your opinion.

Well then, everything is totally f****d and Bethesda has ruined the lives of millions, and said millions are just too foolish to even see it, and that's the end. We're all f***ed, they're all f***ed, everyone and everything are f***ed. Climb under bed, assume foetal position, await the end...

Goodbye, world!

see....the fact your failed sarcasm relies on profanity makes it even more of a fail lol

Again...this thread is about the Article reported on the BBC about the backlash Bethesda is getting about winning awards for Skyrim despite it being full of issues for a lot of people across platforms. Something the comments in the PS3 area here, under the BBC article itself and across other websites tend to agree with.

You dont have to agree with the article or the people who do agree with it, but really...that kind of response, other then being amazingly unfunny....is just well...meh

it said on some forums people unhappy on an issue that as far as i know has been fixed anyway as for blogs they mean squat any muppet can create a blog, not quite same thing but other day a dvd review on a film about the story of puss in boots, saying it was rubbish because it was rippoff of the shrek film, now if you werent to bright and thought shrek was the original version you might belive what they had written, and that is just one example of just because someone writes it on internet does not make it real.

er ok...except the problems with the lag on PS3 Skyrim as a result of large save files is clearly well documented...as are the problems from the 1.2 patch....quests not being completable because of glitches is also well known...so not really sure what the above is supposed to mean

i have to be honest i with you, i dont really care if you like it or not since end of day im selfish and only intrested in what mines doing. But best answer i think is Overall sales figures and fact even with your blogs that mean so much(little) it still won game of year.

yeah you are literally just talking gibberish and trying to translate it means dropping to a level of intellect that just hurts.....if what you are saying that it doesnt matter what anyone posts online the game still won GOTY then you are correct, they won the award and people complaining about it wont change that

But the fact that the BBC are reporting on the backlash and the problems people are having with the game, instead of the award itself could do interesting things for bethesda's lack of communicating about the issues

Actually the lag on PS3 is due to having shared memory as opposed to unified memory. Large file sizes are just an inadvertant side effect since the game tracks so many objects

Those that act hard done by because they have to play offline when they refuse to update are just stupid, sorry.
I choose to not update and perfectly understand that by my choice I will have to remain offline.
I understand why this is the case because if this was a multiplayer game having a different version to anyone else would cause problems.
This is Microsoft's way of making sure that when you are online you have the same version. Now of course this an single player game, but it's easier to have 'this is the rule for all games' instead of making different rules for different games.

Complaining does help and it's how you get companies to listen to the people who have a broken product. Just because it works for most of you doesn't mean it's a good product. The XBox360 had failure rates of the worst in the industry, people complained and they did something about it.

lmao..look at the above comment by Mawds and you have to worry for the future of the human race....so the fact that people have to play offline in order not to get a patch that breaks the game is some how a conspiracy of MS lol

@drunkenlastknight yes its down to the hardware architecture of the PS3, but it didnt suddenly change after Skyrim was released, the PS3 specs were well known to Bethesda yet this issue was still evident in the release build. Sorry but its not excusable to just blame it on the console build when you as a developer have years of experience with that console, know its specs and should test the game to the extent where the lag would be picked up either during development or testing

As the article reported and mentioned by IGN UK's journalist Keza Macdonald...was this issue something Bethesda knew about and released the game anyway, or was it really a surprise to discover it after release?

Them's the breaks for PS3 then, hear it a pain in the butt to develop for which is probably why it took so long for Oblivion to be released for it. If I remember right the same thing happened with Bioshock (though I dont know if it was a licensing thing or issues with developing the game for the system.

If you cant release a game on a platform due to hardware restrictions...dont inflict that pain on its consumers by releasing a game that cant work on it, the key bit of information which will probably never be known is if Bethesda knew that these issues would happen, and put the game out to market in full acceptance of it

Of course they knew about it but their marketing department told them to ignore it because of the 11.11.11 release, which couldn't have been missed. Marketing rules quality in many companies, this is clearly the case with Bethesda but the Xbox360 users got the nicest bit of the cake.

Just trying to characterize the thrust of your viewpoint, as I find it gratuitously negative and defeatist. I don't feel that the only tenable stances are either this or prozac-happy praise of Bethesda, either, and I find that saying anything to mitigate such a decidedly negative stance will be instantly characterised as all sunshine propaganda. It is not, and the game is not without flaws, especially for those on the issues forums who are here because they are having problems in the game.

As to the news story, and its being held up as authoritative or significant to the combatting of the injustices of Bethesda Softworks:
1) It's newsmedia- they love weepy sob stories of corporate malfeasance and injustice for the people.
2) It's newsmedia- they don't know anything about video games, its industry or business.
3) It's newsmedia-what more needs to be said?

So the news article isn't particularly impressive. A news article doesn't lend any more weight or credence to the "Evil, negligent Bethesda" argument.

I censored my own language in my post so as not to offend- as I said, I was writing in a particular voice for effect. Sorry if you found it offensive. I'm just trying to be like the old tape recorder- the one you should record yourself on and then listen to so you can hear how you sound...