In case you don't keep an eye on the PS3 forrum.....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16136691

Thanks to Nuladen for posting it there!

How appropriate that the BBC should raise the issue.

I think I'm going to raise the issue of Eastender's winning 'Best Soap' every year despite having the lowest viewer ratings, terrifyingly crap script writing and some of the most wooden acting since Thunderbirds of any of the major soaps.

Seriously though, the BBC only put stuff like that on their website so that they can pretend to be all up to date and everything.

Good article. Points out some fo the issues, and speaks for the complaints in a louder (ie. wider audience because of BBC) voice than fans can on the internet.

Game developers will just ignore us on forums, but when you start getting articles in the BBC, maybe they will sit up and pay a little bit more attention.

Quite frankly 1.2 should have been pulled as soon as the magic resist bug was pointed out and confirmed. If I want to play Skyrim and not download a broken patch I have to play offline and deny myself many other services of Xbox Live. This is inexcusable and I will be speaking with Microsoft Customer Service about this. I completely understand that it takes time is hard work to create a new patch, but there is no excuse to just leave a broken one in play. Pull it and take your time on the next patch, at least 1.1 the main complaints for Xbox 360 were graphical not negation (or potential reversing, ie. resistance becomes weakness) of resistances.

I guess the fact that the plethora of issues Skyrim has faced since release has moved from just gamer website articles to a major news source outlet will escape some people....

Maybe Bethesda will eventually be forced to respond in a more informed manner as this coverage continues to snowball.

Proabably the tech staff is different frm the staff that reviews soap operas.

I think it's more likely people from their offices are playing Skyrim, and experiencing problems, went online and saw that many many many many others are experiencing problems as well.

More than likely. Course you assume they have a tech staff.

Wouldn't be the first time the BBC 'borrowed' an article from another site to pad things out. hehe

I don't understand all the self entitlement a lot of you have. "No, I think they weren't paying attention at all before the BBC", what kind of logic is that? So the ps3 version has some issues (after extended play, very hard to test for that, but obviously they are working on it) and a less than steller patch that removed resistances for a week or two until a new patch comes out.

^ This.

Just because they don't post it on the Forums every day, doesn't mean that they aren't reading everyone's hate-filled posts. They probably have kept quiet because they are having to sift through so many threads/posts that are mindless complaining without ever saying what is wrong, that it is hard to find a post that actually tells them what the issue is.

I'm not trying to say that people can't complain about a legitimate problem, it is the delivery of said complaint that is the issue I have.

"OHHH MY GAWDZ B3TH3SD@!!!!!!11!1!1!1 ReZ!STUNZES ARE BR0KENZ!!! FIXZEZ IT!!!!" Doesn't help Bethesda at all.

"The resistances seem to be affected negatively by the latest patch. Instead of a 50% reesistance to fire, the patch seems to have reversed said resistances so that my Dunmer has a 50% weakness to fire. Following is a short link to my testing video where I used a Flame Atronach as my subject and killed it with Fie spells." This type of complaint is like finding a gold vein in your back yard as far as developers are concerned.

It's ok to complain, but lets keep the delivery on the intelligent side. Also, as I said before, just because they aren't messaging you personally, or keeping you updated on Batman's hotline, doesn't mean that they are ignoring you or your problems. It most always means that they are more interested in fixing the problem that they caused rather than waste time by typing you a personal message. After all, if they are constantly updating you on every line of code that they fix, then they probably don't have much time to work on the fix.

Well after Oblivion,Fallout 3 and the absolute lockup fest that was New Vegas there was zero chance of me buying this for my ps3.Each of their in house releases has suffered from the same problem on ps3 just to varying degrees.It's a shame but there it is,they really aren't going to want to lose the revenue whether their earnest about being able to fix it or not.Bethesda are in a market of one with these kind of games so alot of folks who enjoy them will put up with the reoccurring lockups no matter what,i'm one of them but fortunately have the 360 and Pc to alternate with.

Funny enough with regards the resistance issue i don't mind it so much now difficulty wise but it's become the fact that essentially half the items and feats in the game are temporarily useless because they enhance them.Anyways theres still alot to enjoy whilst waiting.

*thimbs up* hit the nail on the head you did.

No game or developer should win Studio or GOTY whilst a portion of their consumer base is unable to play the game as intended....it shouldnt be commercially rewarded until the game is in a stable state for all. When other studios have produced fully playable games that everyone can pick up and play with no issues its insulting to see bethesda rewarded for its lack of care in Skyrim

Full understand why, especially PS3 games suffering the big issues with the game, take offense to the awards given to Bethesda.

Those who are saying people are mindlessly complaining or saying people should be more patient and accepting of the issues at hand with Skyrim and should have faith that Bethesda will fix it are only adding fuel to that fire for those having issues. Said it before and will repeat it here, anyone, ANYONE who is currently unable to play the game because of its bugs/glitches and bad 1.2 patch have the right to complain every SINGLE day until the game is in a state they can enjoy and play. People may be repeating the same complaint but to them, its a valid course of action and until Bethesda confirm and list all the issues they are currently investigating so people can see what is being looked at and what isnt, they will continue to repeat themselves till its rectified

For every complainer repeating themselves there are wannabe mods and "Bethesda defense Force" people posting to say that shouldnt....swings and roundabouts.

Agreed....GOTY

The mindless complaining doesn't help, they should give practical examples of how the bug came around, and show steps to reproduce it. Most of the the complaining is just that, Mindless Babble that doesn't help anyone. I'm paid to sit in front of the pc to fix things because, and I have no quams at saying it, im good at it. I hunt bugs down, and fix them, and rather quickly when someone actually does more then just say "its borked, fix it". Giving little or no information about the bug encountered, or the steps to try to reproduce it doesn't help the developers trace and track the problem. There's alot of source code for this game, tons of different scripts, and you expect them to find and fix something by just saying "its broke, fit it". Then someone like me or Uriel comes in and just says it strait, and you call us sympathizers. Were not, we just know that no ammount of complaining is going to help anyone fix anything.

But people are people, and the majory of the complainers will continue to complain and act like 2 year olds that just got their hand slapped for stealing cookies from the cookie jar and throw their little fits, still giving no information thats going to help. and oddly enough, you'll still think that the fit throwing is going to help.

But who are you, amongst others, to say what is "mindless complaining" or not....if it was the moderators would be removing them.

Try and put this level of logic on your thought process.....people have an issue, they come here to see if there is a solution or if the problem is even acknowledged by Bethesda. Currently, one month after release...there is no confirmed list from Bethesda showing all the issues and bugs/glitches that they are currently investigating. So people visiting here to share their issues or even just to vent and complain about their issues are fully entitled too, thats why this technical support forum exists...so people can do that.

You yourself sir, seem perfectly content telling people how complicated the code behind Skyrim is and how hard it is for bethesda to track and find and fix all the issues people are having, I have one simple answer to that logic....game should not have been put out to market in the state it clearly is in. I dont particularly care how complex the game code is or how hard it will be to fix the issues...I want them fixed, Bethesda has been paid by myself and others for them to do just that....if the game was in a more stable state these issues would never have been inflicted on people.

Stop blindly defending Bethesda for their lack of support/product testing and stop telling people how they should be complaining about the problems they are having as a result of Bethesda doing a half ass job with Skyrim. Using sarcastic example to belittle them and using terms like "mindless complaining", "trolling", "complain like 2 year olds" "having little fits"......does nothing but make you look more foolish then anyone else venting their frustrations.

Bethesda should be having a better flow of information with the people having issues...post a list of all the issues they are investigating and have acknowledged, from technical problems to what quests they are aware cant be finished because of a bug or glitch.....start making the people having issues feel as though they are being listened to, so they dont have to keep repeating themselves. Let the forum moderators do their jobs, if they dont like a post then they will remove it, as they are perfectly fine with the complaining and issue reporting going on, its not for others to post in reply to advise people instead

I think with this game being awarded the GOTY award that a precedent has been set. A game that is as flawed as this game can still be awarded if the graphics are extraordinary. So, I am worried that we may more flawed games in the future because the developers will learn that as long as you can impress the critics with your graphics and aesthetics, you win a 'prestigious' award. It doesn't matter if the game actually works as promoted.

Additionally, the BBC article confirms what many of us were feeling about this game, and weren't saying publicly. B. released this game at this time so they could get revenue and improve their quarterly results.

I have very little faith in B. fixing the game's issues, and I think the only people who might be able to play this game in the future are the PC owners. They can get into the game's software, and fix the errors. For the console owners, we are frakked.

Caleb you don't understand that people are mad because they left FO3 and FONV broken for the most part they don't plan on fixing those games and never will. People are just expecting the same treatment with Skyrim so they are trying to pound Bethesda as best they can to actually get a fix.

You know, if they would just make a list and acknowledge the list of bugs that they see people complain about by posting it on their MAIN site to reassure people that they're looking into instead of just saying "Hey we're looking into fixing "stuff" in the near future", there wouldn't be so many threads that they need to close.

Is that so hard to just list the bugs they knew people are experiencing, or is that list too long for them to shamefully post up for the world to see?

Still like was said before saying something is broke doesnt get the ssue fixed, people need to be more verbose when reporting issues as if you can remember what was happening they can try to replicate and locate the script easier for a fix. Pointing out where a water pipe is broken will get it fixed much faster than if you just tell a plumber its broke fix it.

This article, was about the reaction from fans, particularly the PS3 platform...where huge issues are affecting this so called GOTY, something yet to be resolved. Bethesda were rewarded for releasing such an unstable game with Studio of the year award...whilst Studios like Rock Stead, Valve for example, have release games fully playable..that I can go now and buy, and play online with no issues....but if I was to fire up Skyrim right now, this GOTY by the Studio of the Year...well, we all know what happens if it was to update the 1.2 patch.

To be commercially rewarded for bad work sets a bad example for other publishers...Bethesda should have the honor and decency of saying "thank you for the nominations, however we have work to do because some people are unable to play the game as intended, until they can we cant accept that we deserve any applause or plaudits for that game"

@ CockneyCharmer,
If I sum up what you're saying it is the following:

1) Bethesda needs to perform a public mea culpa where they apologize as soon as possible for every single problem every single player is having or has had with the game, in addition to a complete schedule of fixes, including date and time for every update, for the entire process.

2) Bethesda does not care about any of the problems that people are having, and, by that point of view one must then believe that they have funded, built and supported these forums either for political cover or the amusemant of their institution.

3) Until item 1 is accomplished, although according to item 2 this will never happen, Bethesda should not only not receive any accolades or positive comment in the press or anywhere else, it should also not be allowed to profit financially from the sale of their product.

4) That you would have Skyrim not even be released unless it is perfect in order for it to be worth the price of the game.

Did I miss anything?

In Reply

1) Yes

2) Bethesda are showing a total lack of communication skills by not talking to, responding to the issues being raised.....their silence makes its worse when people have questions and appear to be ignored

3) Totally.....the product is flawed, flaws which are directly preventing people enjoying the game they paid for. They should not be rewarded for this broken product by getting titles or awards for good work when other studios have released games with little to no issues, which can be played right now out the game case which Skyrim cant. In my job, I wouldnt be rewarded with a bonus for doing 75% of my work or getting complaints for my quality of work, its just common sense

4) Well yeah....if it was released fully working alot of the people that have to report issues and complain would instead be playing the GOTY and getting their money's worth a month after release instead...just not happening, I would not settle to buy a car only for it to sit on my driveway with a faulty engine for weeks until the manufacturer sent a mechanic to come fix it then to give him a tip for doing so

^ A perfect example of completely unreasonable expectations.

FO3 and NV are broken for the most part.... reeeeeeealy?


How do you figure that? Those games work just fine.... and FONV in my opinion is one of the best RPGs ever to come out of Bethesda

While I did encounter a wonky flying dragon...and I am anxiously awaiting the 1.3 patch.... I'm just over 300 hrs into Skyrim

GOTY..... yessirrr!!!!

The game is a work of art.

its a news posting it won game of year it, its not watchdog.