Or they wanted to please the PS3 fan base and not leave them out of another release, cause im pretty sure people would have griped about that. Should they have? probably not. But the good thing is since I only have a 360, PS3 issues are none of my concern since it doesnt affect my system least not at this time.

lets see, is there a backlash to the fact that bethesda won awards for skyrim whilst issues exist....yes, are there problems with the game, in particularly on the PS3...yes, Did they get comment from an award winning and well known Gaming Journalist in IGN UK's Keza Macdonald...yes

Seems the article has merit and is a true reflection of peoples views on the topic and is simply reporting on what is currently being discussed on multiple sites since the VGAs

You didnt offend me in any way, just found it unfunny and boring in its failed sarcasm...much like your friend request and profile message you left for me, all of which deleted if you hadnt noticed

Why people take the VGA's seriously is beyond me

I am also mainly a 360 gamer...so whilst the issues effecting the PS3 wont ever effect me, they still exist...and with the article and topic of this thread being the backlash of those experiencing those very issues reacting in a negative manner to Bethesda winning both GOTY for Skyrim and Studio of the year for the same game, its a very important part of it.

A game that was only out a month the day after the awards winning the awards it did, with the issues its currently having across all platforms...my argument that Bethesda should be fixing those issues instead of accepting awards is to me, an important one. Other titles that have been out for months from Studios who have supported their product far longer should be the contenders for such titles more imo which is just that, my opinion

Exactly!

The damage to their rep. would have been far less if they just didn't release it to PS3 in the first place....There is no way they didn't know the ps3 version was fracked from the beginning... they must have seen what was happening to it with extended play, even with their lack-luster QA.

The article has as much merit as a story made up by some fool and blathered on a street corner- just because it's on the news doesn't give it any more merit or importance that anything anyone else says or believes- especially when it's a news story about opinions and statements by parties in a dispute, real or perceived. It does not help your argument. The article only states the already established contention you are addressing. Big whoop.

As to deleting me as your friend, then blurting it out here with discernable pleasure, you are quite petty. If you will not be friends with those who disagree with you (which is why I friended you in the first place, as I see grounds for disagreements as grounds for consensus), you probably don't have any real friends- just people too afraid or unaffected by you to tell you otherwise. Sad, actually.

as your making the news of the game of year sound like some rant at the game you really should consider "The news has created a backlash on SOME gaming blogs with users complaining the title is "unfinished" and "broken".
now in english that says some whinners are complaining on some blogs yet it still won and end of day thats what matters. personaly i didnt like brink i just didnt make a blog and post $%%$.

As I replied to your abusive private message you sent me, this isnt facebook lol....and the only one being petty is the person who sent an abusive private message after being told his friendship wasnt required, and as you posted above....who is doing the attacking and personal insults....there you go sport, free life lesson for ya

What the article is reporting on is fact, something even Bethesda has acknowledged so...if you are unable to understand that simple concept then I feel sorry for you quite frankly. The article is reposting on issues which are documented and proven and a reaction that is live right now even on this official site for the game, so...yeah your style of argument in this case is the same as your attempts at personal attacking..pointless and not necessary

its reporting on it winning, it does not say scandel in skryim but then if the post was skyrim won hands down you would try and turn it to suit your version, every game has some issues so its not some great breaking news that the game needs a patch. i can understand why your fed up, all your posts trying to trash the game and basicly sales are up and it won game of year so it must be bit upsetting.

Yeah I didnt like what DDR did when they went to make Dance Masters but I didnt feel the need to go on their forums and say how 'broken' it was (since it didnt give you any direction what to do with the songs you basically had to guess). I just sold it and bought other games. One of the very few games Ive sold to sell. I hear GS is offering $30 trade in for Skyrim for those that dont feel the need to want to own the game ever again

right have you not read the posts in the technical area for both the 360 and the PS3 about the multiple examples of problems being found daily by people? or the patch notes acknowledging what aspects of the game they are attempting to fix....I sense this argument and discussion has gone beyond your understanding and you are just replying for the sake of replying...maybe move on to another subject as clearly you are not actually grasping what is being discussed

People are complaining because a game they are having issues with and hasnt been fixed is being awarded GOTY whilst its still broken, its a basic concept which you either agree or disagree with....but dont just randomly post nonsense just for the sake of it my friend

It's not "broken" for everyone. It appears that the majority of consumers are managing well enough. It seems quite rare that the game is actually "broken," i.e. unplayable. There are ubiquitous bugs and glitches, and on these forums this effect is inflated not only by who it is meant to attract, but also by the number of people who ascribe their own mistakes to "glitches" or "design flaws."

But it is broken for some....and that cant be denied no matter how hard anyone attempts to do so. And for those people, they are becoming more vocal about it, the BBC has picked up on this noise and reported as such contacting Gaming Media IGN UK for comment and IGN in the US has already been reporting on this story before the VGAs

The problems exist, people are angry....the media has picked up on this...Bethesda silent as always

And as we all know silence = they dont care/they arent doing anything, amirite?

Yes, SOME people are angry, and SOME are reporting about it, but most people aren't having major issues and the game won an award based on the performance of the game for that group, most of whom are not having problems.

So by the standard that only games that are causing zero problems for zero consumers, there should have been no awards this year because I'm sure you can go to the tech forums for any of the winning games and find that the games are giving some people problems.

The media is reporting on skyrim because it won the VGA award, not because there is an unprecedented flood of disgruntled consumers with broken games.

did I say that??

What I have said is based on Bethesda's lack of communication with its consumers about its issues and what it intends to do to rectify it and when.

Now you can keep trying to imply something else from what I post, but until Bethesda wake up and start communicating properly with people having problems, they will go shout about it to anyone else who will listen...and clearly made enough noise for the BBC to choose to report on it...who will run the story next before Bethesda wake up and realize their silence is only being a negative thing for them and their consumers

Ok Let me try to give a balanced opinion based on the thread so far.

If there is a valid point about both the BBC article/ The IGN editorial.. it is the fact that (and I must say I actually agree with CockneyCharmer on this one.) Bethesda has not done a very good job in communicating.
A few examples: A soon as the PS3 problems appeared Bethesda could and imho should have chosen to immediately acknowledge this fact and communicate in the broadest manner possible.
Bethesda could learn a lot from some of their partners in the way patch release notes are written. Not only adress the issues, but also explain what caused them and in more detail.
Bethesda and with them a lot of other developers should use social media and press releases more often. While most problems are not prevalent for most users, a significant number of customers do have serious problems.. IE speak to them in a more open manner. Instead of using a Mod as intermediate to communicate... publish a statement by either Tod Howard or someone who actually speaks on behalf of the development/ patch team.

However..
I fully agree with other points made in this thread. One might even argue that there should be a difference between opinions and actually reporting about problems. Nobody is denying people the right to be angry. But.. members of this forum have as much right to complain about the way in which this anger is formulated.

Take this example by Uriel Nocturne:

Granted that the first example might be a bit exaggerated but otherwise.. I completely agree. Does that mean that I deny people to express their opinion or their disappointment.. No.. Do I wish that people would react more in this manner.. Yes.
Trying to balance a position or making arguments for a more balanced approach is perfectly legit.
In other words:
Cause and effect.. You represent a certain point of view. People not only have the right to disagree with that, but react to that.. (and to repeated complaints)
In your opinion they're either part part of the BDF or wannabe mods.. In other words if they don't follow your line of thinking they are basically worthless. .. So "Sure Fine... Whatever"..

Well because it is his oppinion, the fact that you don't agree doesn't disallow it for members to discuss "tone of voice". Moderators are there to guard the rules by which a forum is governed.. not to discuss the contents (if it stays within does borders).
However since a forum is basically a community, that community is allowed to make statements.

Stop banging the same drum Cockney,everyones here for the same reason and that in itself speaks volumes,i'm sure we'd all rather be playing.Does anyone really give a toss about award ceremonies,or for that matter IGN,the BBC?Agendas bias and profit margins with us the small fish.
I 100% agree with you btw when it comes to Bethesdas communications or lack of.

People are complaining because they are experiencing issues, even if someone else has posted the same issue days or hours or seconds before, by posting it it allowed the user to vent, to get out the frustration of having the issue/s they are experiencing and putting it on a place where they expect Bethesda to see it.

This is the technical forums for the game, a place designed for people with issues to come report them, discuss them etc...for people to be in here telling others that they are whining or mindlessly complaining is just redundant...discuss something yes but dont put or attack someone for needing and wanted to share their experiences with the problems of this game.

It comes back to Communication, if people felt they were actually being listened to by Bethesda, you would probably see a lack or at least a reduction in the emotional tone in which some users are posting...the anger is out of sheer frustration....stemming from the disappointment that the game they have been looking forward to for such a long time ends up being a mess for them, with no clear solution coming from Bethesda and where a patch that is supposed to correct issues ends up making the game worse and two weeks later...no sign or even a date for the 1.3 fix to that patch

Once you understand where the frustration and the anger comes from, you can understand why all the complaints in which ever form they take are filling up this forum area and on other sites on the web, and then you can also understand how that frustration can turn into backlash when Bethesda win Studio of the year despite their lack of customer care and the game that doesnt work for them gets GOTY, and still wont really be attempted to be fixed properly until January, Bethesda's own words

Dont like people complaining so much, then the technical support forum area for the game probably isnt the best place to visit and if you dont like what is being posted...leave the thread and view another one

Thats because the beat of my drum is just so musical my friend

Id much rather them spend time getting code fixes done than reply to ever little post about every little issue that someone has. They dont need to spend all day going 'Yep we are working on that, Working on that too, Yep that is planned to be fixed at a later time.' Even posting what they are fixing could detract to what they could be better doing getting a patch out to fix quests asap. Seriously you mean to tell me you would feel better if they came right out and be like, 'This is what we are working on, have a nice day.'

Poor communication from Bethesda or impatient gamers who can't wait until Bethesda puts out the next patch?

What good would it really do if Bethesda made a very public apology, maybe even some symbolic firings? Would it fix the game? Would it help in the process of fixing the games?

Would it make certain people feel better?

I'll feel better when the game is working properly and I don't need a crocodile-teared company official apologizing to me and telling me all the things they're gonna do to fix it.

Forget communication- fix the game.

I would feel alot better if they provided a list of the issues they acknowledged and were looking to investigate and solve yes....currently no idea other then they will be attempting some quest fixes some time in January, but no idea what ones...if you happen to have a quest that is gltiched, wouldnt you want or like to know its been acknowledged an on the "to be addressed list"?

I dont expect them to reply to every thread or post, but a weekly update isnt too much to ask I dont think for the money they have collected from us

+1 from me, Id much prefer to them patching the fixes than just giving some spiel of what they are doing


Me personally I could care less if the issue is easy it will most likely be in the first title update. With the comprehensive list on this forum that is probably what they will look at to resolve and do as many as they can. They probably wont tell you exactly whats being worked on cause quite frankly if it isnt an easy fix it wont be that soon to get a fix for it.