by your thinking wouldn't everything ever written on this forum be considered to be a "waste of time"?

I was thinking the same thing. Also, is your avatar from a Melville film?

yep, le cercle rouge.

Just watched it a few nights ago instead of doing homework. One of my favorite directors, no doubt.

off-topic +1

Caps Caps Caps fallout has always been about caps i would be soul crushed if they changed it but then again they might have caps when you start then when you go to say NCR or New Vegas they have a bureau de change of some sort where you exchange caps for money? maybe this will be only in the casinos tho for gambling chips

Y'know from a logical stand point a currency system in a post-apocalyptic world makes no sense at all,
because people would be more interested in trading for supplies (food, guns, ect.) and not some little bits of metal.
It made some sense in Fallout 2 because the region was more stable but I could still buy stuff by trading goods and not coins.

But this is a video game we're talking about so logic doesn't really apply here.

No.

What about a new currency?

CAPS!!!!!!! i love nuka cola!!!! and its caps!!!!! they buy me things for my house that i dont need like a crummy jukebox that looks like its been in the wastes for 200 years

gold in the way it was presented in Fallout 2 was so off, how would anyone find the machinery to print coins in any manageable scale? Plus why would anyone use he time to get the gold and melt it down for coins when a bottle cap or a vegas chip is something you just pick up from the ground and use right of the bat?

if gold should be used it should be in its raw form mined out of ground, like how it was done during the golden era of gold mining in the wild west.

Because unlike Fallout 1\3, Fallout 2 had settlements with very strict and highly developed government (NCR, Vault City). You'd expect them not to accept currency that can be found bascially everywhere. The again-developing economy of Fallout's 2 world needed a single, widely-accepted currency, which production could be controlled and would be more durable than a piece of scrap metal.

Unlike Fallout 3, Fallout 2 had a world that actually made sense, where rules of economy applied and people couldn't live off from 200 year old canned food and by trading for bottle-caps.

Irrelevant. It happened and is therefore officially canon. Bethesda changed the canon arbitrarily for the reason I listed above.

that might be so, but it made boring sense, I play a post apoc game for ruins and strife, not well paved streets and nice, civilized governments. New Vegas is an exception because it?s woven into the story and it?s still a [censored] world, Fallout 2 just dropped it?s more civilized setting in your lap and sayed "hey strife and survival is gone, we have big, civilized governments now!"



even if so New Vegas is it?s own city state, so far as we know it is not under NCR control and thus would not find a need to adopt NCR coins, consider Vegas is un nuked it most likely have wast amounts of pre war chips that can flow as a currency in a market.

So you honestly believe a city advanced enough to use the Hoover Dam to generate electricity for itself is going to be using bottle-caps? That's something which would happen during the first few decades after the bomb. That, to me, represents a very early stage of survival through scavenging. Anyway, as I said--it's all irrelevant if you care about verisimilitude and consistency in canon, which I do.

again canon only points at NCR having coins, canon has not touched Vegas yet, and believe it or not everything doesn?t have to make sense in a game, most people here who voted for caps where most likely referring to Vegas Chips, it has a symbolic value, when one things of Vegas they think of chips sliding along a gambling table to be betted away at chance. Out a aesthetic and symbolic value poker chips makes more sense. Sure it isn?t logical, but who cares it?s a game meant for fun.

There were like two or three places in the whole game with well paved streets. The rest was falling apart, mostly - ramshackle shantytowns and settlements built on the ashes of burned out cities. Fallout 2 did not pull out civilized world out of it's butt and said "Here you go", that's what Fallout 3 did, throwing the world back into the stone age and ignoring the progress made in previous games. All the highly developed settlements in Fallout 1\2 came from Vaults, as they had access to technology that let them surivive and defend themselves. It's 160 years after the war in Fallout 2, some serious progress had to be made by such communities. You can't just keep everyone at the level of 5 years after the war, because it puts emphasis on strife and survival. Not if you want your game set in a particular setting to make sense.

but i have played the others i feel insulted im still playing the others lol forgot gold was in fallout 2

I take fun over sense any day so sorry if I like junk towns and using caps over coins :3

Chips could be interesting I suppose. I'm not saying we need gold to keep with proper canon; I'm saying specifically--bottle caps have been phased out. It's just not relevant to the series beyond Fallout 1 and should not have appeared in 3. As for logic, reread my post about verisimilitude (if you're not familiar look this word up if you're not understanding where I'm coming from) and canon. I said "those are things I personally care about" in regards to any given series (books, film, etc).

Though unlikely, I think it could be fun if the economy was entirely barter based without an actual currency.

And this is where our tastes differ - I enjoy a coherent game that makes sense and is immersive. Mindless fun is secondary, at best.

Have you seen the Showtime series "Jeremiah"? That's how they operate in most settlements (though it is admittedly very soon after their "apocalypse" and makes more sense because of this). Still, a cool idea.

POKER CHIPS

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casino_chip#Security


Actually it fluctatutes quite a bit, like any other publically traded commodity, though admittedly not as much as some commodities. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e3/Gold_price_in_USD.png


Actually it's use in practical applications has been steadily increasing, particularly in electronics. That said, I couldn't find any real data on it's usage other than India being the number 1 importorter of gold and other yellow metals.


You can take chips home and bring them in from the outside and the casinos are legally obligated to cash them.


You should read up on history, that's how currency was from "kingdom" to kingdom and still is (with the exception of the EU) from country to country. Heck, that was a driving reason that the Articles of Confederation (first US constitution) was replaced and the type of government changed.


The problem is that they are probably too readily available unless someone/a group, such as the NCR, had control over a large portion of them (which is plausible). I guess considering that Vegas was supposedly spared from direct hits, it would be a very plausible currency but it's kind of cheesy.

I'd prefer a purely barter based system but given the rise of the NCR, it makes sense that they would establish some sort of currency.

I think theys should have different forms of currency for different places like chips for vegas and cities controled by ceasers legion and gold for NCR cities and cities in the middle of nowhere who have no affiliation use one or the other or both.

Bethesda I come before you as a mere man that I may make you gods