How many copies would need to be sold to off-set that? Like 650+ copies until they break even? I am pretty sure that with those "patches" and DLC they can make up for that and then some as a direct result of using that as leverage for marketing.

I don't want any of this (except better followers), and what is this we you're talking about? The only person who seems to want this stuff is you and a few others. So pretty please don't make your group look larger then what it is.


You have to pay for patches?

Beth is in no way being nice giving out DLC free or otherwise... it's a business... it really has to be about the money... they have to turn a profit. If they think giving out game content free will generate interest and generate more sales they will do it. I'm not being negative.... it's just simple business practice.
They have to be able to justify what they do to Zenimax and Zenimax to their shareholders.... it's the law. The companies have to run in a manner that will sustain them for their shareholder or the Boards of directors will be in violation of the law.

Let alone that if they don't patch the bugs, some of which are still quite serious, they'd certainly see a substantial loss of interest and, therefore, revenue when releasing DLC/expansions -- which they obviously plan to make money from.

The kill cams I could live without. Thanks for that YouTube video Stormbird, I did not get to see it yet.
I would rather have more spells with spell creation bring back that instead if kill cams.
Spears would be a welcome addition back to the game, did I see pikes in that video, that makes me wonder could I use a staff as a mast resort blunt weapon.

I posted that quote on page 2 of this thread, hehe! Beat you to it.

Gah, ninja'd! Didnt notice that at the time!!

Great minds think alike, huh?

Lets just face it guys. All game devs want now a days is good business. As that is what bethesda is, A business.
They are just gona listen to the majority. and they are gona try make it appeal to the majority.

As soon as I saw this thread's title I stated laughing, considering most of the changes between Oblivion and Skyrim like more human drama, more ties to the lore in the immediate questlines and gameplay, a less durpy dialog system, perk trees, better animations, dual wielding, more intuitive magic and leveling systems, more grittiness and speciesism, as well as several other things were requested, often by me myself, in the enormous "TESV Ideas and Suggestions" threads before Skyrim was even announced.

So basically, the entire premise of your thread is dead wrong in so many ways all I can do is laugh in my sleeves at you.

More intuitive magic system? What with the charge and cast and thrower spells and some rune spells that lose their use way to early.

Here is what I propose, keep the charge and cast spells and the throwers and the rune spells, why because they are fun to use. The duel casting is great now let us use all of that with all of our old spells and spell creation and that would be the best magic system to date. As it is it lacks options and diversity. It's basically just use one spell until you get a better version in Skyrim.

It is all about cool visuals anymore.....end of story. All they want is people to go oooohhh and ahhhh like a fireworks show on 4th of july to buy their games. what they don't realize is it gets boring after many years and you get sick of the oohh and ahh crap without a good storyline as a backbone. Sad as it may be right now I am enjoying ME3 more then I did Skyrim and I was a long time fan of TES. Oh and someone on the thread mentioned more human drama. I would like to know where I played Skyrim for 400 hours on multiple characters and I just saw generic storytelling. ME 3 in the first 2 hours has more drama and emotional charge.

No, they don't have the time to listen to read people constantly whining about their games and telingl them about how Morrowind was so much better. They're to busy making great games.

I have to ask (though I've learned to never expect a good answer).

Could you list all the games you've played for 400 hours. Now isolate the games on that list you didn't like. And please tell me, in the name of all that is holy, why did you play them for 400 hours?

fact is I never was bored with Oblivion, Morrowind, or Fallout 3 and played them for over a year each or more. With Skyrim I pushed myself to play those many hours trying to make it fun with half the features gutted from it. But alas I still became bored quickly no matter how I tried playing it. In short maybe there are people now who like what they did to TES, but for me TES series has become a lost cause.

400 hours? Really?

You tried to make yourself like a game for 400 hours?

I mean, that's true dedication to doing something you don't like...

Your problem seems to relate to franchise fatigue more than lack of content. It's sad that many fans shun the idea of reaching out to a broader audience but it's also easy to see that many are fair weather fans, or some have just become bored with the franchise.

It's just 1 sequel in a whole series. Imho you can't call TES a lost cause based on only the latest sequel, no matter how much you dislike Skyrim.

I still love TES. No matter how much I felt Oblivion, Skyrim and even Morrowind were imperfect. However, I play these games with the expectation they will be lacking in some aspects according to my personal taste. That's why I play them with mods. And: I love TES even more so for supporting that modability.


ME is much more immersing in it's story telling and drama, I can agree to that. Storytelling has never really been one of Bethesda's strong points. With Bethesda's games you generally have to make your own story as you go on Beth's quest lines.

But to play a game for 400 hours... The game has to have done at least some things right. I simply would never play a game that long if it had nothing to offer me, if it didn't catch me.

I guess Bethesda really don`t read or care what people ask for on the Forums at all...


that's a pretty dumb thing to say, I'm sure they care very much, and don't think this is the end of the line I'm sure there'l be more to come

They do read the forums. It's been acknowledged countless times.
Most devs won't post though. And when they posted it's most often been in the mods sections and hardware/software issues sections of the various games iirc.

And still. We do have http://www.gamesas.com/user/365941-gstaff/, Bethesda's community manager. He's even posted in this thread, so..

Sorry man, I didnt read this thread, I just saw the title and thought censored censored censored and proceeded to post!
woops:)

http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1354923-posting-and-threads/page__p__20422800#entry20422800

Wasn't directed at you.

Just the general "they don't care"/"they don't read" moaning we get way too often on these boards. I just meant it as an addition to your post, to support your statement.

Hurr durr I want Fallout: Los Angeles!!!

On a Skyrim engine with combat on ATV'S and horses and sh*t.

THATS WHAT I SAID. People will never be satsified. If you don't like what the update gives, then just delete it and continue playing. Is it really that much of a burden to get somethin free? Just be grateful for all that you have.

Are you serious ???? This is one of the most entertaining games Ive ever played, not only that its kept my attention for the longest as well. No mater how cool a game is people will still [censored] about it... this is honestly the first forum Ive ever joined for any video game... I think there is a lot of people here for the first time too... To complain about a game like this is so LAME, half the people that play this game work at best buy ( I'm an electrician ) and act as if programming a game on this level is a piece of cake...... Enjoy what you have , quit demanding... this game is so good its like crack.......evrybody complaining just want more, more , more.........

OR the fact ALOT of people of having texture and draw distance issues after the 1.4 patch. And they just keep neglecting the issue like it doesn't exist?! This is on X360 btw.. it appears to not be happening to PS3.

I say the same thing, F Killcams.. bring my friggin high res textures back first so I can enjoy this game. Without having to take breaks every now and again because my eyes hurt after a while..

Your game looks so much better then this Bethesda. Get your crap together now please! -.O