Bethesda offers graphics instead of spell making, kill cams instead of attributes. The direction is not my direction, and I assume they will have their fans and sell product in the future, just as I hope another company finds the niche now left vacant. Reckoning is a start. So is Risen. There is room for all kinds of games- I hope. If I'm wrong, games are going to be much like one another and the changes Bethesda made may reflect the new product.

I'm fairly certain they didn't choose to leave out attributes because they wanted kill cams.

Attributes were left out of the game because they never made sense in the "practice makes perfect" experience model of the Elder Scrolls universe.

You ever try Neverwinter Nights? If that niche you are talking about is removing spread sheets from playing a game then I think those might fill that need. However other than that I see nothing offered in Morrowind/Oblivion that Skyrim doesn't also offer.

Each series is changing, if they just made Morrowind 2, Morrowind 3 then people would complain about how its just like Call of Duty, I.E. being accused of not being innovative. I am glad they are trying new things. If I want Morrowind that's what I play, if I want Skyrim than that is what I play.

i understand the OP is complaining, but A LOT of us on these forums are just disgruntled fans. not elitists, not trolls. normal people like everyone else who have different opinions of the direction Beth is taking TES. I agree that the "free content" being released in upcoming patches is a great idea, but come on guys its just some new kill cam animations that probably should've been in the game when it was released along with a toggle option.

I have been playing since Daggerfell. I miss attributes only a small portion, but the spellcrafting system I do miss. I think they knew it was going to be a touchy subject with long time fans, but I hope they have the best interests for the game at heart and did it with specific intentions. At times I wonder when reading some of the threads here how many people have been here since the days before the OXB, cause it was a different beast back then, but still people stuck around and the franchise flourished, I doubt some "well I don't like this" or "I don't like that" from a vocal minority will make them lose much sleep at night.

Eh, a lot of people requested this. Just because you're ignorant of it and don't like or want it doesn't mean that no one else does. It's just a patch for [censored]s sake, there will be plenty more to come. One of them will probably include the useless 1st person view on horses some people seem to find relevant.

Check out the "Bethesda, we want roads" thread, where Blade tells off the OP for using 'we' instead of 'i'. Nothing like a good dose of hypocrisy to make ones day a little more exciting.

http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1356108-bethesda-we-want-roads-15-fix-request/

From the mouths of babes.... in a few ways.
My gf, who's in no way a gamer, asked me what I was reading about (this thread) and explained the situation of this particular thread to her. She started to laugh hysterically, and asked "well do they have to travel on horses to go far?" I said no. "Can they fast travel after mounting up?" Yes I said. "They why are people getting all butt hurt about this?" and went back to laughing. It made me think a moment, and it's all about perspective. Just because someone doesn't see things one way of a particular situation, doesn't mean it's right or wrong for everyone else.
For me, first person when I am on a horse, it means nothing, I fast travel rather then use them. BUT for some it is. Just because someone thinks something is broken for them, or breaks the game for them, doesn't mean it has the same effect for everyone. Just my 2 cents.

See, as someone intelligent pointed out the other day, the forums represent less than 1% of the entire playerbase. Incidentally, almost every single forum-goer still plays the game consistently and don't get tired of it regardless of what Bethesda implement. So really I think they gain more from listening to whatever the majority shouts for - which is, as someone else pointed out, on facebook and twitter.

Bethesda definitely reads these threads and pays attention. That's how they find things for M'aiq to say.

As for just implementing features requested by users, only very silly developers do that for more than the most urgent things. They built a game they decided they would like and thought would be popular. It's very popular and they seem to like it, so they're not going to worry so much about those of us who want things like attributes, extensive world simulation, or spell making.

We would have to sell them on those ideas somehow. Forum posts won't do that; good mods might, and probably have in some cases.

Where does all of this self-entitlement come from? Be happy with what you get or do not purchase the product...Bethesda is better than most, but at the end of the day they are a business. Not your personal dream-maker. I can almost guarantee you that they would make things as best they could to please the hardcoe TES fans if that's all they needed to support themselves, but sadly they need sales from more than just our unique little circle.

Face. Book? Book with face? M'aiq does not believe in such things.

Twitter? Yes, birds twitter. Many birds in Skyrim for M'aiq to eat.

Spears.
Crossbows.
Levitation.
Acrobatics.
Tinur's motherf--king Hoptoad.

A way of making Grand Soul Gems into Black Soul Gems wouldn't be bad either.

If you want to give meaningful feedback/requests that have a chance to be implemented . . .pay the premium for a gaming PC, and don't be a jerk to the ridiculously friendly modding community (or learn to mod.) That's all that can be said, really. Whatever they patch in for free after you purchase the game is completely their prerogative. As someone else said, don't look a gift horse in the mouth.


Also . . .how can you expect them to implement everything "we" ask for when "we" are a rather large group of people with varying desires and opinions? Don't be unreasonable.


Case in point:


http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1356108-bethesda-we-want-roads-15-fix-request/.

LOVE IT +1

They're fixing bugs, which we asked them to do. They're giving us kill cams for magic and for firing arrows, which we asked them to do, and which they were under no obligation to deliver. They're continuing to work on giving (or selling) us things. Your response? Up yours, Bethesda! Nice.

I look forward to seeing what else they churn out.

Maybe it should of been in the game orginally? Instead of us having to pay for it, but we all know Beth's bussiness model now, screw the fans over for a profit margin.

Who asked for kill cams?
I thoroughly enjoyed Morrowind, although it was a heavily flawed game. since then they have simplified everything and put all the detials in the graphics instead, so i have not really enjoyed oblivion or skyrim at all. But I am an hardcoe elitist so.....
here is what the elitist asks for (all gameplay changes) http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1322156-my-ideal-skyrim/
God dam why am I even wasting my time here AGAIN!

Time ruins everything. That is entropy for you.

Or rather because itemization is a nightmare with attributes and attributes penalize hybrid characters greatly, which I would wager would be what most people play as some amalgamation of classes instead of a streamlined version.

I don't keep a list, but I am pretty sure you could find some if you dig up past threads about the what's-it-called Jam which showed off various things the team whipped up in a week.

EDIT: Here's one. Check the opening post: http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1355116-game-jam-to-dlc-what-would-you-like-to-see-in-it/

I don't think you'll be having to pay for your arrow- and spell- kill cams.

But almost everything else. I'm aware of the free dlc or whatever, but it will only be between expansions and probably need those expansions (not counting the kill cams).Also, kill cams isn't going to make Skyrim feel any less hollow and shallow.

Third person view glitches like hell. So 1st person view would be perfect.

I am actually really EXCITED for this patch coming out now, and all future patches!

We're getting that? SWEET.

I think it's important to note that releasing updates for games costs companies like Bethesda a lot of money. That's especially true on consoles. Did you know that it costs $40,000 just to release a patch on Xbox Live alone? http://games.slashdot.org/story/12/02/14/203247/xbox-360-game-patching-costs-40000

Yeah. That's expensive. So even if you ignore the costs of actually putting the patch together, Bethesda is still throwing a huge chunk of money on the table just so we can have a few extra gameplay features. Isn't that nice of Bethesda?

And personally, I think arrow killcams would be nice.