As most people I prefer Gameplay over graphics...But you HAVE To admit that the combat system in Morrowind was HORRIBLE! And Graphics are still very important.

No.
It is a public forum, for anyone that follows the forum specific rules.

No it didn't. Speed effected overall speed way more than athletics. Its a fact.

No, I thought it was fine for its time.

I do have a hard time playing older games because of the graphics its an annoyance i can't really explain.

Oh and if you think i care more for the graphics then gameplay...I Love Dwarf fortress

That's cute stordrage, but no.

These forums are for discussion.if you'd like to just go back and forth talking about how great everything is take it to PM, a discussion leaves room for dissenting opinion.

I like all of the Elder Scrolls games, but they're not without their faults. To me, Morrowind still stands as the quintessential open-world RPG because the possibilities are virtually endless. Skyrim is certainly more complex than Oblivion, but only in the area of combat. Magic and stealth skills (personality, mercantilism, speechcraft) have been trimmed and Skyrim became a combat-centric RPG, which to me isn't a fair representation of the Elder Scrolls series. The Elder Scrolls has always been about giving players more choice and variety. While Skyrim gives us more variety in combat, there's little to be said about NPC interaction and passive skills. Again, I love all the games, from Daggerfall (never played Arena) to Skyrim, but it's been clear since Morrowind that choices, RPGing, and character customization is getting narrower with each new title.

But Why be on a forum about a game you dont like and write down its flaws? i am talking to everyone,just curious.
There are other forums out there for games that you guys like
I thaught the elder scrolls community was a nice and great community,But then this community is just like anything else,Aforum about complaining and whining.

Whoa whoa whoa I've been fighting whiners since day one almost got banned because of it but im still here fighting the good fight.

Apparently, you don't play Halo or at least don't spend a lot of time on the Bungie site.

Probably because the people who love the game are off playing it, which makes me wonder what you're doing here?

I don't like the people who absolutely hate the game and come on the forum just to say it, but I think most of us who criticize Skyrim are just suggesting how it could've been improved. Why? Because we love Bethesda's games and we have certain expectations. We'd like to see the Elder Scrolls keep it's identity and not follow the path that so many other big name developers take.

Agreed. I do not want TES VI becoming DA2, that is why I am critical.

If I hear Todd mention any sort of an "awesome button" in future PR, I think I'll puke.

"Sheeple"? Seriously? You're going with "sheeple"?


Of course they can, but what do you think the odds are of them altering a course that got them a metric ton of sales? Why would they? Who would make such a decision for anything but the most black-and-white moral reasons, of which there are none in this instance? A company isn't a democracy, but a successful company is democratic in terms of their business practices: they make what people want to buy, and apparently people want to buy Skyrim.


Go for it. There are few games I can recommend as unequivocally as I can recommend Supreme Commander.


But wait - do you consider smithing + enchanting to be (1) a game-breaking exploit or (2) a "creative combination"?


I don't see how character creation isn't complex in this game - certainly as complex as in Oblivion, and likely more complex, because you never stop creating your character. Yes, they got rid of stats and classes - and rightly so. The old classes were nothing but a mechanic designed to be exploited, and exploited it was - via the "efficient leveling" trick, where you could say "I wanna play a warrior, so I'll pick 'mage' as my class" then proceed to remain at level 1 even though you've got a blade skill of 75, heavy armor of 70, block up to 80 and so forth, and go around hacking apart level 1 enemies. You could effectively keep your skills many, many levels ahead of your character level, with the expected results - you never met enemies until you had skills that were disproportionately strong.

And the same thing with attributes - what good did they serve except to find some trick to play with the numbers? This isn't a strategy game, it's an RPG, and I don't need THREE PAGES of numbers defining my character like Oblivion had. I far prefer Skyrim's skill-centered character creation system, complete with perks.

I agree. Today I was playing for fun and a bandit and I were just sitting there swinging at each other for about a minute rarely hitting each other. I just didn't like failing spells or hits which is why MW was kind of a turn off for me.

Not that i would like to bring real world politics inbto this thread, but there's a country north of Soutrh Korea, where they have taken a similar principle to heart. There, elections always verge on 99.9% unanimity.

Thank gooness this forum is not under such jurisdiction.

Its not anyones Job to "fight whiners" Skyrim doesn't need a defense team to uphold its honor, the game is doing well without your back up and the Devs I assume couldn't be more happy from the Cut of the millions of Dollars they got. if people want to praise or critic let them. but it gets annoying when you start calling them a "plague" or whatever demonizing mess that has become prevelant thus far.



And Total annihilation was awesome

I'm just telling you the evidence of my eyes. My mage would have a much larger increase in speed with the Fortify Athletics by 100 spell than the Fortify Speed by 100 spell.

You're either drunk or have a bad memory.

Well said.

Of course it's gameplay over graphics, which Bethesda should know by now. Morrowind was fun because there was so much to do in the way of RPGing. Even ten years later, many of us still play it. And look at games like Minecraft, whose graphics are no more advanced than a game from almost 20 years ago, yet it is insanely popular.

Why?

Because gameplay always trumps graphics and bells-and-whistles. Say what you want, but those who want graphics and only graphics will go for games like MW3, COD, and other FPS games. They're not looking for RPGing. Minecraft is popular because players have all the choices in the world to do what they want, the very same reason why Morrowind was and has been so popular.

Well the problem is that TES used to be the last vestige of the great RPG, so there really arent any other games for people like me, and TES isnt one anymore either.
For me, I just hope that voicing my opinion will make some difference in one way or another, or if failing that, just getting it out of my system.
And what better place to find an informed opinion about the series, to meet people that know what you are talking about, than the official forum?
Its not about 'hating', I dont think I do. Its about getting my opinion out there, and learning new ways to view things from other people.

As far as the community goes, I think this is a good one.
I think this comes from the rather strict forum rules and the way they are enforced, three strikes and youre out.
This ensures that people think before they press print and that discussions are kept moderately civil.

I play halo and I used to be on bungie.net all the time,It was and is like this,everybody complaining D:
And of course i understand all games need to get fixed in someway.

Is there a real poll to support your claim - gameplay over graphics -?
I'd like to check it out.

Which is impossible without mods. Speed effected overall speed more than Athletics. You can look it up.